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    Tone Block 202 Quilter Labs

    Quite different from the 201. It has the familiar Treble/Mid/Bass EQ and a builtin reverb.
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    What took them so long to combine the two features missing from previous "200" takes: understandable EQ and on-board reverb? Both exist in the 101R. The price of my unsold ProBlock just plummeted. Awaiting jzucker's doom.

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    Doom -- Demo?
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    The 202 block sounds good, but the dude playing the CS Telecaster is awesome. He has the R&B thing completely covered.

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    This is the Quilter I have been waiting for. Unfortunately I already have 2 Aviators.

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    Great! I really really like my 101R, if I ever need more power I know what I'm getting.

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    Sign me up!

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    Okay. Here's a demo of the Micro Block 202 I wanted to see.



    Tim is running the 202 into the Block Dock 10, which is what I would use. (If you choose the Dock 12 you are in the weight class of a Polytone.)

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    That was awesome, thanks, Tim!
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    I have a 101 Reverb that I run into a Raezer's Edge Twin 8 Tower. It would be great to have something more portable. Does the Block Dock 10 sound boxy at all? I can never tell from videos.

    Has anyone A/Bd the 101 and the 202?

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    I really liked the Tele L-O-T!

    Does anyone know if its form fit compatible withe the other block series that will fit a rack adapter?
    Last edited by GNAPPI; 06-24-2019 at 02:26 PM.
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    According to several videos it will fit, there is one showing it being mounted in a block cabinet.

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    The 202 will mount into the Block Dock 12, but not into the Block Dock 10. The 10 was designed with the 100-series heads in mind. However, as Tim Lerch's video suggests the 202 sounds terrific when plugged into the Block Dock 10. That's what I'd use it with, myself. (You would just have to watch the master control--the 10 is rated at 100 watts; the 12 is rated at 200 watts.)

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    Anyone see the 202 review in the new Guitar Player? Pretty good review.

    If you have a small cabinet, or want to buy a Quilter Dock Block, it looks like a deal.

    It would work great into a DAW, PA, etc., too.

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    Checked the manual on the 10 inch cab and you can use the 202 with it...
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    I'm very keen to get one of these.

    From what I've heard the 101 reverb was a fairly bright amp of the blackface Fender vein

    Does anyone know if the 202 is voiced as bright?

    Curious to know as I'd be pairing it with a JBL-D130 which has an aluminium dust cap, a fairly hifi speaker. Worried it might be too bright sounding for a good jazz tone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greentone View Post
    The 202 will mount into the Block Dock 12, but not into the Block Dock 10. The 10 was designed with the 100-series heads in mind. However, as Tim Lerch's video suggests the 202 sounds terrific when plugged into the Block Dock 10. That's what I'd use it with, myself. (You would just have to watch the master control--the 10 is rated at 100 watts; the 12 is rated at 200 watts.)
    The 202 will mount in the BlockDock 10 but if you dime everything you could blow the speaker. The speaker in the BlockDock 10 is rated for 100 watts. If you're playing with the amp clean you probably won't run into any trouble. Just listen for signs of bottoming out on settings higher than 100 watts. Hope that helps!
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    Quote Originally Posted by entresz View Post
    I'm very keen to get one of these.

    From what I've heard the 101 reverb was a fairly bright amp of the blackface Fender vein

    Does anyone know if the 202 is voiced as bright?

    Curious to know as I'd be pairing it with a JBL-D130 which has an aluminium dust cap, a fairly hifi speaker. Worried it might be too bright sounding for a good jazz tone.
    The 101 Reverb has passive Bass and Treble controls that only go up, like a Fender. The 202 Vintage mode is voiced similar has all active controls so you can cut Bass on Treble too. It's got a lot more range. Hope that helps!
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    Quote Originally Posted by petermelton View Post
    The 101 Reverb has passive Bass and Treble controls that only go up, like a Fender. The 202 Vintage mode is voiced similar has all active controls so you can cut Bass on Treble too. It's got a lot more range.
    Peter: if you don't mind my asking, how does the Overdrive 200 tone stack compare to the 202? Is it more similar to the 101 or the 202?

    And to put a finer point on it, how does the OD200 tone compare to the Full Q setting on the 202 that Tim's using?

    I've been a happy Quilter convert for a year or so with an Aviator 8 and Mach2 HD extension, but these BlockDock thingies are getting very interesting. You guys are making too many choices! (not really...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by petermelton View Post
    The 101 Reverb has passive Bass and Treble controls that only go up, like a Fender. The 202 Vintage mode is voiced similar has all active controls so you can cut Bass on Treble too. It's got a lot more range. Hope that helps!
    Thank you Peter
    That sounds perfect!
    I already own a Quilter Aviator Twin Ten and really like it.
    I intend to purchase a 202 in the upcoming months - will complement the Twin Ten nicely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccroft View Post
    Peter: if you don't mind my asking, how does the Overdrive 200 tone stack compare to the 202? Is it more similar to the 101 or the 202?

    And to put a finer point on it, how does the OD200 tone compare to the Full Q setting on the 202 that Tim's using?

    I've been a happy Quilter convert for a year or so with an Aviator 8 and Mach2 HD extension, but these BlockDock thingies are getting very interesting. You guys are making too many choices! (not really...)
    The clean channel on the Overdrive 200 is the same as the 101 Reverb and is actually very similar to the Vintage mode on the Tone Block 202 except that you have more range with the Tone Block 202's active controls. Full Q is a fatter sounding than Vintage and the EQ points are in different places.
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    Thanks for that Peter. Sounds like FullQ on 202 is where it's at for me. Just got a Quilter dealer in my little town. I'll have to ask about getting one in to try.

    It's time for me to come clean about my love of the Aviator 8. It didn't fully blossom until I got the Empress ParaEQ. Tamping down 2K and a little boost around 300 is what that's about for me. And I'm still not fully stoked unless the 12" cab is under it. I'd be very tempted to spend some dough if a simpler rig got me to the promised land.

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    I've tried Quilter two different times and returned both but this does sound interesting and could be worth a try but not sure it's any better than my Evans RE200. Have to think on it for a while.

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    I can only speak as a Quilter Aviator user for the past 3 years. If you are looking for a Fender Blackface type Clean tone along with light weight, takes pedals well, 100 watts, as well as sound great for almost any other guitar (flatop,archtop,synth,etc.)
    Quilter is an excellent choice.

    I'm sure Evans makes a great amp as well,and very good alternative.

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    Sorry if this is a silly question, but does any know what the differences would be between putting a modeller into the FRFR input on the 202 and putting it into the Effects return on a Micropro Mach 2?

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    Was Gilad using the protoype of the 202?

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    Just a thought Jack, since you had pretty positive comments (minus the lack of reverb) about the overdrive, do you think you'll get a chance to A/B the 202 and overdrive?
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    Gary

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    The new TB 202 has an FRFR Voicing on its front panel, Jack.

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    I hope I am not crashing this thread and being rude. I have been looking at the Tech 21 NYC Power Engine Deuce Deluxe (130W into 8 ohms; 200W into 4 ohms) and I can get two for the price of one TB 202 and 12HD speaker cab.

    The Tech 21 PEDD is Made in Korea and is touted to be FRFR that takes pedals (duh!) and modellers well.

    The Quilter TB202 and 12HD combo looks the biz but it does come at a premium. With use of pedals in mind, it looks expensive vis á vis the $449 Tech 21 PEDD. The amp module of the PEDD has a retail list price of $50.

    I am trying to convince myself to get the Quilter combo but I don't see the value proposition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GNAPPI View Post
    Just a thought Jack, since you had pretty positive comments (minus the lack of reverb) about the overdrive, do you think you'll get a chance to A/B the 202 and overdrive?
    I'll definitely compare them. Not going to do a video shoot out though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jabberwocky View Post
    I hope I am not crashing this thread and being rude. I have been looking at the Tech 21 NYC Power Engine Deuce Deluxe (130W into 8 ohms; 200W into 4 ohms) and I can get two for the price of one TB 202 and 12HD speaker cab.

    The Tech 21 PEDD is Made in Korea and is touted to be FRFR that takes pedals (duh!) and modellers well.
    How much does the Tech 21 NYC Power Engine Deuce Deluxe weigh ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozymandias View Post
    Sorry if this is a silly question, but does any know what the differences would be between putting a modeller into the FRFR input on the 202 and putting it into the Effects return on a Micropro Mach 2?
    The FRFR switch on the Tone Block 202 changes the output impedance of the amplifier and stiffens it up so you can pass your cab sim through. Going in the Effects Return on the MicroPro you'll still have our high output impedance / low damping factor relationship with the speaker so you'd probably want to turn your cab sims off in the modeler.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jazzgtrl4 View Post
    Was Gilad using the protoype of the 202?
    Yep! His is the same as the production model. Yotam Silberstein has one headed his way too.
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    Following up on PeterMelton's posts, the 202 is really designed to use with modeling front ends, using the FRFR input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by entresz View Post
    I'm very keen to get one of these.

    From what I've heard the 101 reverb was a fairly bright amp of the blackface Fender vein

    Does anyone know if the 202 is voiced as bright?

    Curious to know as I'd be pairing it with a JBL-D130 which has an aluminium dust cap, a fairly hifi speaker. Worried it might be too bright sounding for a good jazz tone.
    I've gigged non-stop for the past year with the 101 Mini Reverb and did not find it to be too bright with my 335, 175, or Tele. I do back off the Treble to between 10 and 11 o'clock, depending on the room and set-up. Other than that, I use the Middle to make it sound more or less "blackface-like". I've run it into a cab with a classic Jensen, a Raezer's Edge Stealth, and into my Princeton Reverb cab which has a 12" Emi Cannabis Rex. All of these speakers are probably not as present and hi-fi like as your D-130, however. From the demo's I've heard, it sounds like the 202 has similar tone circuit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by medblues View Post
    How much does the Tech 21 NYC Power Engine Deuce Deluxe weigh ?
    29 pounds.
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    The Quilter amps have an Excellent Clean tone ! So when comparing other brands make sure they are in the same ballpark.
    In have a Katana 100 Boss head,and although way more versatile and bang for the buck. It doesn't have as good of Clean channel in my opinion.

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    First TB 202s are being shipped. Anybody here has got one? How does it compare to 101R – or other Quilters – with an archtop?

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    Yes, someone please post your evaluation. I'll be interested to know how the tone (or range of tones) differ from the 101 Reverb. Certainly, there are more bells and whistles and more power, but has the tone changed much?
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    Apologies if this has been mentioned before, but does the frfr setting bypass/override any other settings? Tone stack? Gain?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbie View Post
    First TB 202s are being shipped. Anybody here has got one? How does it compare to 101R – or other Quilters – with an archtop?

    I took delivery a couple days back. Diggity. I will be keeping it. Currently running into Quilter Mach2 HD extension cab with Celestion Neo 12" speak. Will be buying the BlockDock 12 soon which has the same speaker.

    I also like, and possibly even prefer how it sounds into Mesa Wide-Body single 12 cab. Seems to have a bigger... more lush (?) bottom end, which isn't surprising since it's a much larger cab and is ported. I don't think that'd come thru very much in an ensemble setting, but if I ever got a gig that really mattered in a venue that could support it, I might use both the Dock12 and Mesa. (me gigging like that again is highly unlikely...but you never know....)

    I also own Aviator 8, which I like in combo with the Mach2 cabinet and Empress ParaEq. I like everything about this setup except the number of pieces and setup time. I took that to a audition for a lounge type quartet playing standards, and they kinda looked on in fear as I put things together. They'd like to see a Blu or a Polytone type rig. But the 8 by itself just doesn't quite get there for me. I've accepted that I like a 12" speaker.

    My hope for the 202 was for a very simple 1 piece rig weighing in around 20lbs that gets what I want, and I think I am there once I have the Dock12.

    As to tone controls: much better range of sounds for me than the Aviator. I don't know the jargon but these controls seem to be more 'potent'. I don't need the ParaEQ to find what I like with the ToneBlock. I do like a little bark when I spank it a bit. Like Wes on Impressions or some of K Burrells sounds. Can get that at any volume with 202. And more clean headroom that I could ever take advantage of.

    I play Eastman 880 Pisano and Lehmann Session 16. Both fully carved archies with hand-made Armstrong Pafs.

    Oh.... I'll add that I also own Mesa Studio 22+ with C. Rex 12". That sounded quite acceptable with TB202 as well. Just wanted to hear it into a open back cab with diff speaker.

    Happy to try to answer any questions if I can, and will report back RE Dock12 when it arrives.

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    I've found with a Carved Solid Top guitar the Aviator 8" Combo works exceptionally well. You don't get the feedback issues near as much as a larger 12" speaker.

    Thanks for the review of the newer Quilter 202TB

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    Quote Originally Posted by jads57 View Post
    I've found with a Carved Solid Top guitar the Aviator 8" Combo works exceptionally well. You don't get the feedback issues near as much as a larger 12" speaker.
    I totally get that. Guess I haven't needed to play at a volume where feedback is an issue.... yet. I plan on keeping the Avi8 for just such a scenario, or a situation where I really want 2 channels.

    So... seems to me I've fallen right into Quilter's trap. I have a 2 channel whose tone stack I'm not totally in love with, and a 1 channel amp whose sound I am. Next year they'll put out the OD202: a 2 channel amp with TB202 tone controls. And I'll be forced to buy that and sell the 2 I have now.... :-) It's wicked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greentone View Post
    Okay. Here's a demo of the Micro Block 202 I wanted to see.



    Tim is running the 202 into the Block Dock 10, which is what I would use. (If you choose the Dock 12 you are in the weight class of a Polytone.)
    Cool amp. If I ever dig myself out of my pile of tube amps I may try one some day.There are other great Quilter demos I've seen.

    And Greentone, thanks for posting that clip. I wasn't aware of Tim Lerch. I picked up a couple new licks and chord shapes from that C-Min jam. One is at around 3 minutes he does a cool little pull off double stop at the 8th fret then repeats it again. That got my interest going. Inspired me and I dug into it some more. I needed some new influence I rarely get to play with anyone..kids and career etc. Thanks to Tim as well.

    What Gibson model is that?

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    Tim is playing an early-50s Gibson ES-350.

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    OK then. I've had the BlockDock 12 for a few days and am using the ToneBlock 202 in it. I'm very happy. Not sure I can add much more. Here's a couple thoughts:

    The open back Dock has a very different sound than the same speaker in the Mach2 closed cab. The closed cab is a tighter flatter sound. The open Dock spreads a lot more low and mid low around the room. My history is such that I'm very used to the sound of the 12 inch speaker in an open cab. 40 years playing and almost 20 years gigging Mesa combos will do that to you. I'm just more comfortable with this. It is much more susceptible to the dreaded 'woooo' if you get too close though.

    I'll say again that the tone controls of the TB202 are just about perfect as far as I'm concerned. I'm running it almost flat. Just a slight cut in treble and a little more in mid. I'm a pro player. It's just that I haven't had a gig in 25 years, so I'm playing on my own in the basement. I can see that in an ensemble I'll be cutting base more as the volume increases. But I'm loving it now. Very big and warm. I think folks who find other Quilters too bright or 'nasally' are going to notice a major difference with this head. Previously I'd been taking a hefty bite out of my Aviator tone at around 1.5K and a little boost around 400 with Empress ParaEQ. Not needed at all with this amp. 'Full Q' puts me right in my wheelhouse, but I've played with 'Vintage' a bit and find it interesting and very usable too.

    And of course we all know how light it is. Lifting BlockDock 12 with TB202 feels pretty much the same as lifting Avi8.

    All in all just a great guitar amp for me, though I'm still getting used to the lack of weight. It just doesn't seem... right. My ol' fave was the 100 watter with the giant Altec magnet. I was a lot younger then but that really felt like a guitar amp and gave a sense of confidence by weight alone. This just kinda seems too light to be real. (price tag helps make it feel pretty real though :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccroft View Post
    OK then. I've had the BlockDock 12 for a few days and am using the ToneBlock 202 in it. I'm very happy. Not sure I can add much more. Here's a couple thoughts:

    The open back Dock has a very different sound than the same speaker in the Mach2 closed cab. The closed cab is a tighter flatter sound. The open Dock spreads a lot more low and mid low around the room. My history is such that I'm very used to the sound of the 12 inch speaker in an open cab. 40 years playing and almost 20 years gigging Mesa combos will do that to you. I'm just more comfortable with this. It is much more susceptible to the dreaded 'woooo' if you get too close though.

    I'll say again that the tone controls of the TB202 are just about perfect as far as I'm concerned. I'm running it almost flat. Just a slight cut in treble and a little more in mid. I'm a pro player. It's just that I haven't had a gig in 25 years, so I'm playing on my own in the basement. I can see that in an ensemble I'll be cutting base more as the volume increases. But I'm loving it now. Very big and warm. I think folks who find other Quilters too bright or 'nasally' are going to notice a major difference with this head. Previously I'd been taking a hefty bite out of my Aviator tone at around 1.5K and a little boost around 400 with Empress ParaEQ. Not needed at all with this amp. 'Full Q' puts me right in my wheelhouse, but I've played with 'Vintage' a bit and find it interesting and very usable too.

    And of course we all know how light it is. Lifting BlockDock 12 with TB202 feels pretty much the same as lifting Avi8.

    All in all just a great guitar amp for me, though I'm still getting used to the lack of weight. It just doesn't seem... right. My ol' fave was the 100 watter with the giant Altec magnet. I was a lot younger then but that really felt like a guitar amp and gave a sense of confidence by weight alone. This just kinda seems too light to be real. (price tag helps make it feel pretty real though :-)
    Thanks for the detailed review.

    What type of guitar have You played with it? Genre?

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    16 inch solid wood carved archtops, 2 3/4 deep. One set and one floater, both single K.A. pafs.

    Genre.... I guess it's mostly some sort of modern jazz. Mostly my own solo thing. Lately I've been spending a bit of time with Stolen Moments, Mellow Mood and Footprints as well. And I'm always working on the classic ballads, but I kinda suck at that. I was a fusioneer in the 70's and never really learned how to do that right.

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    So the Blockdock 12 is open back ....

    the Blockdock 10 appears to be closed back
    I wonder why ? more bass presumably ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccroft View Post
    16 inch solid wood carved archtops, 2 3/4 deep. One set and one floater, both single K.A. pafs.

    Genre.... I guess it's mostly some sort of modern jazz. Mostly my own solo thing. Lately I've been spending a bit of time with Stolen Moments, Mellow Mood and Footprints as well. And I'm always working on the classic ballads, but I kinda suck at that. I was a fusioneer in the 70's and never really learned how to do that right.
    Ok, sounds good.

    I may have asked this before but is there any difference in Vintage vs Full Q voicings with an archtop?

    I mean I have a Quilter 101R which has the Vintage voicing. To my ears my ES175 VOS sounds a bit thin with it. So I am interested would the TB202 and its Full Q make an archtop sound much fuller.