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Originally Posted by jzucker
I stand corrected. I wasn't sure about the EL84. Apparently, it was the EL34.
I got the idea from a discussion with the Mesa Customer Service guy and bought the tubes from Mesa.
I can no longer remember what I was concerned about, but, even though I'm not a cork sniffer, those tubes didn't sound anything alike.
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06-10-2019 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by rpjazzguitar
my morgan can take any 6V6, 5881, 6L6, EL34, KT66, KT77, etc. I have tried many of the brands out there including the chinese ones, tube doctor, JJ, sovtek and tung-sol reissues. The tung sol reissues are noticably better than any of them for clean jazz tones IMO...
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It's strange how difficult it is to emulate
the behaviour and sound of a good tube amp
with SS designs and modelling ....
apparently it still hasn't been nailed ...
which is weird if you think about it
but then again , even apparently simple things
are sometimes way complex when you really study them up close
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i don't believe it's a technical issue any longer. It's a marketing one. If a company like axefx ever decided to simply model a clean fender and get that as good as they could possibly get it I think we'd have a winner. The problem is that there is little market for a clean fender sound. The young kids buying the tech are metal players for the most part and you see that in the forums so that is what they cater to.
Originally Posted by pingu
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You want the real story? Tube amps sound more organic, or real if you prefer that word. By comparison, SS sound artificial, or imitation. Great SS lessen the gap for many users, and some users would have much difficulty differentiating between the two in a blind test.
Which SS are very affordable AND very well engineered? Vox. My two Vox amps have an actual reverb tank inside.
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Originally Posted by Spook410
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Originally Posted by geogio
The funny part is theyre probably very easy repairs.
perhaps learn to do it yourself?
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anyone try the bluguitar amp 1?
it's a 100w class d amp but with a nanotube preamp but about the size of a large pedal. seems like it's aimed more at the rocker crowd but has a fender style clean channel.
unfortunately, there are only 2 or 3 clips of it playing clean stuff. this is probably the best of them. it doesn't sound particularly great here but perhaps a bit more dynamic than a straight class d amp.
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Originally Posted by vintagelove
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Originally Posted by jzucker
I've only played through an Axefx very briefly through studio monitors, so I can't really judge that. But I've played through a bunch of lower-end modeling combos. I guy I know has a Fender Mustang I and I have a Champion 20, and I've played with bands through both. They're the same models, but the Mustang is more programmable and has a closed back cab, whereas the C20 doesn't store presets and has an open back.
IMO, the C20 sounds much better, and closer to the real thing; I suspect the cabinet is the reason. Though, it sounds good enough to be very usable, I will say that my real Fender PR sounds a lot better. But this also harkens back to what I said about playback vs live feel. My Fender PR mic'ed and recorded does not sound better than a plug-in, at least not in the conditions I've recorded it.
Bottom line, I think it's a complicated subject. As far as tube vs SS is concerned, there are usually so many other differences between a given tube and SS amp besides power stage design that you're rarely comparing tubes to transistors.
JohnLast edited by John A.; 06-11-2019 at 10:44 AM.
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The reason I started this thread is the discussion of the differences between the tube vs similar quality non-tube amps almost always about the overdriven sounds in the guitar world. In fact some seems to only care about the power amp distortion, nevermind the clean or light crunch sounds.
Internet dudes, even during supposedly clean demos, cannot stay clean for more than 4 seconds, they are completely lost in clean sounds.
Since this thread is about the clean sounds, I wonder if the preferences of the hi-fi audio world is more relevant to this discussion. I know there is also a general tendency to prefer tube amps by audiophiles. But they seem to be a bit more split than in the guitar world. I don't know too much out audio tube amps (or mics), are the insights in the audio world regarding tube vs SS transferible to the guitar world?
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
- YouTube) there are tons of demos of the axefx stuff and kemper with jazz clean tones. The axefx is great but doesn't really sound like a real tube amp
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The combo of the bluguitar amp 1 and the Streibel archtop sounds fantastic!
Originally Posted by jzucker
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
TL;DR: I'm afraid we're stuck with bad youtube amp reviews.
JohnLast edited by John A.; 06-12-2019 at 12:05 PM.
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I really don't care one way or the other - either one makes my guitar louder which is the point and they both have some sort of EQ built in to alter the tone. Nowadays, it all boils down to whether or not I can lift it into the car. I sound like me, regardless of the equipment I use so I'm easy to please.
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I find the traditional approach to guitar amplification very primitive. A relatively inexpensive hifi or AVR system can be made to sound fantastic in any normal room, not so a $ 3000 traditional guitar amp. Merely copying recipes from the 60s, ignoring the findings of audio scientists in the past three decades, makes no sense to me, e.g. the primary roles of room correction (EQ) and speakers in sound quality. No reason why those wouldn't apply to guitar amps, too.
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Originally Posted by m_d
When you get into small PA's and powered speakers amplification is different. Also for rigs designed for acoustic guitar though many of those are cost constrained. However, you still can't compare home systems to music performance gear because the latter has to be quite durable and flexible in terms of dispersion.
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Originally Posted by Skip Ellis
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Originally Posted by Spook410
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Originally Posted by AKA
The DV Eric Gales would be perfect if they'd add a gain control to it. It actually sounds great but the preamp distorts too easily. (it's also got a micro tube)
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Originally Posted by m_d
What's good is that there are full range speakers and Axe-Fx sorts of things that will drive you nuts with flexibility.
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Originally Posted by Skip Ellis
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Originally Posted by jzucker
" I love my fractal AX8. I'd never go back to tubes. I can play at *ANY* volume level, utilize FOH if it's there or crank up louder than a 2x4x12 marshall 100 if there's no FOH or I can use a 23lb alto 800w cabinet. It's like having a princeton that can get up to cranked marshall levels and sounds pretty much the same at any volume level other than the typical fletcher-munson thing.
Plus, with modelers, you're never stuck with just the eq in the amp. If you *DO* run loud enough to experience fletcher-munson, you have many eq options available. "
Danny W.
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Originally Posted by Danny W.
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Originally Posted by jzucker
On the general subject of SS vs tube, I have liked both. Here are two experiences.
1) Mesa Boogie Mark III played through a old Yamaha FX box to simulate (badly) Pat Metheny's tone. A guitarist came out of the audience and offered to buy my entire rig.
2) Crate GFX15 (12 watt SS practice amp that sold new for under $100) on a shelf behind the bandstand and mic'ed with the house PA (no idea of what that was). I think that was the best sound I ever got on a gig.
Mostly, I just want to get close enough to "my sound" that I can forget about the gear. That can happen with any kind of amp, but not every specific amp. I've used Line6's and the original Lunchbox without being able to get a sound I could stand.
I'm also aware that there's some psychoacoustics, if I'm using that term correctly. For example, I plug in at the beginning of a gig and absolutely hate my sound -- in the same room as last week, with the same gear. Then, with no real changes it sounds okay to me for the second set. I think it's just a matter of getting accustomed to it.
So, I end up all over the map with this stuff.
KA PAF info please
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