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Originally Posted by vintagelove
As for the old Deluxe that I had, it was oxidizing at that point that was old wire coatings were dry rotting, caps were degraded...couple of other the things... it would have been an extensive rehab.
But I did manage to sell it to a friend who has a studio and who is an electronic technician and he spent almost as much as going out on the market and getting a new one but this one was so original, as it was my Uncle Joe's who bought it in the mid-60s, that he did not have to go out and find something that had been hacked on. So it worked out.
As for the MB, I just cannot part with it (yet) and I have asked around and I have some friends that do some PACE micro work and they have the tools needed to delve into circuits such as employed by Polytone so that's on the table, but I've cleaned it up real good and it's ready for dissection.
In the meantime I have a little living room amp and it's a Roland Cube 30X. It's working out okay in the living room so that's cool, but the only gigging amp I really have right now for guitar is a Tech 21 trademark 60 which I can dial in a George Benson setting and it's really close to the minibrute so I use that instead, I just don't like lugging that thing around as it's a "two handed amp" perhaps I should have purchased the 30 watt option but I was thinking grandiosely and there have been festivals where it has come in very handy, plus it has all the effects loops and XLR outs that I need to interface with a managed stage and sound reinforcement.
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06-13-2019 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
John
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Originally Posted by rio
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Originally Posted by John A.
You can't differentiate tube and SS construction without taking into consideration the construction technique of the amps. If you're talking about morgan or fargen, you are talking about amps that are constructed BETTER than vintage fender but a new fender tube amp is constructed on PC Boards which extremely cheap components.
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Originally Posted by jzucker
John
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My decision point came after set up and tubes blown. I loathed carrying extra tubes and/or extra amps. So I picked up a new (mid 1990's) Tech21 Trademark 60 and dialed in (no presets) the George Benson setting. The Santana or the Bluesbreaker and clean Fender are also nice. In retrospect I should have picked the 30 watt version instead.
Now I'm using small cubes. But the Trademark 60 stands dutifully by if needed.Last edited by geogio; 06-17-2019 at 11:24 PM.
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To me yeah, there is a world of difference between tubes, solid state, and digital amps, and this applies to any kind of sound. Tube vs Ss rectifier too. The more distortion you use, the less apparent the differences.
This is not to say that solid state amps are bad, I use them a lot, and if someone is into an audiophile, acoustic type sound I can see them preferring ss. However if it wasn't for the convenience, I'd always use tubes except for acoustic and nylon string guitars. But for real world, working musician conditions.. just did a few gigs where there was traveling involved, ships (damned airplane policies ), buses, cars.. Did the whole thing with a guitar case and a really small suitcase with wheels, Zt lunchbox and couple of pedals packed inside. This alone makes me love that little amp as much as my Princeton, I'd buy one again in a second. Same with my Aer.
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Originally Posted by zdub
However that’s the 15 watt. I do t know about the 5 or what it would be capable of in terms of clean volume. The 15 does have a 1 watt practice mode though which is nice if I’m just practicing in my living room. Even then I barely have the volume up at all and it gets loud quickly.
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The last SS amp I tried was one I owned briefly in the mid 70's, hated it but back then I guess they were not up to snuff. I couldn't wait to dump it and was thrilled to trade it and a crappy guitar to another kid who had a 73 Tele and no money for an amp (this was 1973 actually). I still have that Tele hence my id here.
Sounds like SS amps have improved. I need to try some one day. Actually my son has a Micro Cube he never uses, I'll give it a whirl. Was ony $99 if memory serves.
One thing about tube amps is the tube supply. New ones are not like the old ones. I was shopping a NOS tube sale yesterday, $100 for a 12 ax7 is hard to swallow. I will say that anyone with a tube amp needs spare tubes around.
In a past career I did electronics work so I don't mind a tinker if I have the time.
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Originally Posted by 73Fender
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I wonder, what would be THE amp for demonstrating the "tube sound" the best? Well.. no as the "best" even, just extreme.
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
Get the Jack Darr bock and check out Fretboard Journal's excellent podcast "The truth about vintage amps"
hosted by Skip Simmons, you will thank me later...
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Originally Posted by emanresu
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
edit: Roland JC-xx Jazz Chorus?
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Originally Posted by emanresu
And Jazz Chorus is not an example of extreme tube sound for extremely large number of reasons.
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Geez... is jc-..s even tube amps? haha
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Originally Posted by emanresu
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
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Originally Posted by BBGuitar
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Originally Posted by sgosnell
Oh, IMHO - "tube vs. ss" is fortunately one of the least religious topics in sound. I mean.. they actually do sound different for most people.
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
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Originally Posted by BBGuitar
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Originally Posted by m_dOriginally Posted by m_d
Regarding recording, I just run pedals in front of a Quilter micropro 200 ss amp with a sm57 close mic'd. Unless one runs the amp at really loud levels I don't think the room is much of an issue if you close mic which is pretty traditional.
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Originally Posted by Tal_175
Previous to this amp I had Aviator 8. I needed an extension cab and Empress ParaEQ to get happy.
I still have a '91 Mesa Studio 22+ in the room (EL84). I prefer the Quilter with the carved archtops I'm playing these days. Maybe I'd dig the Mesa more if I went back to my fusion roots with a Les Paul, but I have a feeling this Quilter can do that too.
I'd like to add that I think psycho-acoustics is every bit as real as... the other kind of acoustics.
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Originally Posted by ccroft
So those who's ability to tell whether they are playing through an SS amp or a tube amp strictly depends on their prior knowledge of which type they are playing in the first place are just full of it.
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