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I put an ABR with brass inserts on mine, just for the heck of it.
The new inserts needed grooves cut for the strings, so I took this as an opportunity to adjust the high E string inward just a tad rather than mess with the nut. Easy tweak and worked just great. And yes the brass softens the tone quite a bit. Nothing like wood, but a pleasant shift toward a softer tone. Nice thing about messing with the bridge is that it's easy enough to go back to stock if you don't like the change!
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02-15-2018 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Greentone
Having lived in Jersey and endured my ex wife's fixation with Bruce and BonJovi I got a great laugh out of that crack... Thank You !!!
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Originally Posted by BigMikeinNJ
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Guys I have be honest.
i think it sucks what Gibson did. Dumping guitars on their paying customers with a known fault is bullshit.
However, with some mild ingenuity, and zero money spent for the adjustments, I feel like I got an absolutely great guitar.
After moving the high E string nut slot toward the B string by the 1/64 of an inch and sliding the bridge over toward the bass side as much as the pinned bridge will allow, my guitar is a absolute dream to play. I don’t slide off the neck at all.
This could easily be my only guitar, but what fun would that be!
At some point I will get a new proper nut and get the board refretted, with jumbo mediums but until then, this guitar is loved, played and treated like the premium benchmark guitar it was supposed to be.
Joe D
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Nothing new with Gibson. They have been doing this for decades. When I joined this forum I was flamed by Patrick for bringing up this true fact.
On the flip side Crimson made guitars have never been better. Though the old tone woods were better, the build quality on a new L5 is impeccable.
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To be fair, Gibson sold the entire Memphis inventory to CME. Some of these guitars were defective, but it was up to CME to make the call as to what to do. Gibson did not sell defective guitars to any end users, CME did.
CME could have sold the defective guitars at a super low price with full disclosures and let the bargain hunters fix them themselves. CME could have fixed the defective ones in house before selling them to end users. Or CME could have done what they did, namely, ship the defective ones to end users and if the buyers complained, take them back or make a partial refund to cover repair costs for the end user. I think a business decision was made at CME to do what they did in the name of profit. A few buyers suffered inconvenience as a result, but in the big picture, many guitarists got the deal of a lifetime.
Life is never perfect, nor fair. I would say that on balance, what Gibson and CME did with this blow out has been pretty damn positive. And while I have sympathy for the buyers who suffered some inconvenience , I am feeling like the cat who ate the canary.
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Some rolled a 7 and some snake eyes. Actually CME was straight up with me on the get-go stating it was going to be a dice roll. My success rate with CME was 60% though not out a dime and some great guitars at a unbelievable price. The leg work was worth it to me.
My entire history though with Gibson has run in the 60-70% success rate. Like I said nothing new with Gibson.
It is all over the news. Looks like bankruptcy is eminent.
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I'm pretty blown away with the sound and playability of the 175 Vos. It's a guitar I wouldn't have bought if not for the sale. I wish now I decided earlier and got a blonde. Stringswinger how does the sound of the VOS compare with the figured 175?
Originally Posted by Stringswinger
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Originally Posted by skiboyny
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Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
Originally Posted by Stringswinger
Fix customer service
Fix Quality Control
Make nice with the Pass family and make a real Joe Pass model.
Originally Posted by skiboyny
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I’m actually in the middle of reading the “Epiphone guitar book “ written by Walter Carter and the similarities of what is currently taking place at Gibson Brands is like Deja Vu.
Dealer liquidation’s and subsidy sell offs - which ultimately led to the take over of Norlin by Rooney Pace , a New York Brokerage firm. It was shortly thereafter that Henry , Gary and Dave picked up Gibson for 5 million.
Could this be happening all over again .
Will Gibson Brands be controlled by a Brokerage firm that might spin off Gibson guitars ?
Could the new owners of Gibson guitars be hanging in wings like Henry , Gary and Dave?
Gibson guitars needs an infusion of passionate leadership to make “ Gibson great again “ - and I’m wishing them the best.
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Originally Posted by Max405
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Gibson has been using that out forever. Let the dealer deal with it. CME followed the Gibson philosophy of business to the letter. They sent out what they had to see what the buyer would bear. If the buyer was happy they were happy, if not they sent out another. If the buyer was more discriminating they were a bit more careful the second time around. It all works if the price is right. If it was closer to retail not so much. It has been working for years until now. If you have bought a few new Gibson you know this to be true. We are in a different time. Gibson doesn't have the captive market they once did. Funny thing is they seem to have the production down right for the most part, they loose it in the final set-up stages. That's where it takes human expertise and that comes at a price. Up until now they have deemed it in investment not worth making. It's also a sad commentary on today's american worker. I'm just here for my check...
Originally Posted by Stringswinger
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Originally Posted by skiboyny
Regarding guitars, it could be argued that it is the responsibility of the dealer to do the final setup work. Just buying and selling widgets for a profit adds no value. When a dealer does do the necessary final setup work , they earn their profit. That is how capitalism is supposed to work. All are rewarded for hard work. Those who innovate and/or take risks get the biggest rewards. And without competition, prices go up and quality goes down. Gibson, like many giant companies is not without blame to be sure, but neither do they deserve all the blame in many cases.
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I completely disagree. The guitar should never leave the Gibson factory with major issues like a bad nut, frets, or a tailrise and then force the dealers to sell these substandard guitars or risk losing there dealership license with Gibson.
It is stronghold tactics that Gibson has been doing for years to dealers. And when a dealer finally draws a line in the sand Gibson dumps them 100% guaranteed. This is exactly what happened to Gelb, Daves, and Rainbow. They sent back too many turds guitars right back to Gibson.
A dealer needs to make a good profit. That is not going to happen if they have to do a fret and nut job on a new guitar. Not to mention selling it new with warranty.
The only setup a dealer should have to do is a trussrod adjustment, string height, tune and clean it up pretty.
I personally saw Gelb Music receive over 20 335's with not 1 trussrod that worked or they were tightened to bottom.
The middle man (CME) is in a tough place. 2 sides of the fence and both must be pleased or else.
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I almost agree with you pride should most certainly start at the top. I think their is plenty of "blame" to go around top to bottom. People's values have eroded to close to non existent.
As far as the dealer bearing the responsibility of set up. I can agree but the guitar must be capable of set up. Straight necks level fretwork. That seems to be missing at times.
In the end I still think they have a great product, with super strong resale, and that's worth saving. I hope they can make the moves that will allow them to remain a profitable force in the music industry moving forward.
Originally Posted by Stringswinger
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I'm not sure that the poor quality is entirely, or even mostly, the result of lack of workers' pride. It takes experience to make a top quality guitar, and experience takes time to acquire. If the company has high turnover in the workforce, that results in lower quality products. And high employee turnover is the result of poor management. I don't personally know Gibson's turnover rate, but I've heard that it's high. I certainly won't stand by that with my lack of verified information, but I find it a reasonable explanation for consistently poor quality. Too many companies now try to get rid of more senior employees because they have to pay them more, and lower wages trumps quality products for them. It's shortsighted business practice, but few businesses seem to care about the long term. Salary and bonus/stock option plans for management keeps management focused solely on the short term stock price and profits, not the long term. That has hurt American businesses badly in the past decade or so, and seems destined to continue.
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Originally Posted by skiboyny
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SS, bravo brother on the proper way to handle a disagreement.
I took my 175 to my tech this morning. I asked him about a refret. He said I was crazy.
He said this guitar has NO problem. He said he see’s seen brand new Martins and Fenders come in all the time with frets that are 10x worse.
Vinny, thank you for a wonderful guitar. It’s my baby.
Joe D
ps, he did say the guy who messed with the nut is a hack. He told me to bring it back to him in a couple of weeks when he’s not too busy and he will make me a proper nut..
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No matter what I say about Gibson I will always love the guitars they make. Not to mention their American heritage like Harley Davidson. I am just going to believe that this financial woe that they are in presently in is going to reorganize the company into a lean mean kick ass company again building the best guitars in the world.
This can really turn into a win-win. A lot of times doom and gloom turns into a blessing.
I am still on team Gibson till the game is over.
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Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
1979 L5 CES - Sweden ~$7k
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