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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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12-07-2021 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by kris
Chris was asking "was A Train the first tune to do this [the #11] on II7?"
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Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles
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Originally Posted by kris
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Originally Posted by John A.
I could not function as a musician without Roman Numerals. They are the single most important theory thing I’ve ever learned.Last edited by Christian Miller; 12-07-2021 at 03:18 PM.
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Originally Posted by kris
OTOH limehouse, Out of nowhere does but not on a II7 chord.
v/v is one of the most common chords in tonal music.Last edited by Christian Miller; 12-07-2021 at 03:19 PM.
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Whenever I have being composing something. I have NEVER... NEVER thought a single thought about what function is this or that.
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Originally Posted by emanresu
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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Originally Posted by kris
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Originally Posted by John A.
Reimannian functions
Thank you for your patience.
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Originally Posted by emanresu
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Originally Posted by Clint 55
But not really. It was pretty much always first choice to hope for lightbulb.. if it sucked, just tried out others until a working one comes along.
Feeling out stuff is not really "thinking".
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Tune- Killer Joe.
How to understand the movement of two chords C7-Bb7-C7-Bb7?
In improvisation, I think f.ex:
C7#11 - Bb7#11 ... G min mel-F min mel
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Originally Posted by kris
The function of the Bb7 chord is clearly a ‘backdoor dominant’ and this chord was obviously super common in the 60s as well, think Beatles. But to relate it to a V-I? I’m not so sure it has that much value.
It strikes me that the 60s is when the trad V-I cadence started to lose prominence in song writing. The leading note really lost prominence. The V7sus4 became super common too.
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Last edited by Alter; 12-08-2021 at 01:09 PM.
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I’m surprised I haven’t seen anyone explicitly mention what I’d consider one of the most important uses of chord function: a way of understanding the relationships of a tune’s worth of chords regardless of the key you’re playing in. This is important not only for transposing, but for keeping a “mental map” of the tune.
Kris kind of gets at this in his comment in Post #2.
This is effective whether or not the tune is using the traditional harmonic functions inherited from classical music.
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Re: Special Function chords--
Yes! That's kind of my go to way of looking at a tune...first I break it into I/i and V, then I look for chord that are "special," and need to be addressed carefully.
Re: Chord function for transposing--
In my opinion, that's the most useful use of "functions," or maybe better to say "relationships," But I'd also say probably the reason nobody mentioned it here is because that's not what the OP is really about, or at least, not how I took it.
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@emanresu
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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Originally Posted by Alter
HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO TELL YOU BERKLEE - CALL THE CHORD AND THE SCALE THE SAME THING YOU NUMPTIES
Holdsworth had the right idea.
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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Emily Remler was very clear about dominat chords.
All of this was related to the use of the minor melodic scale.
She divided the dominant chords into two groups: static and those that need to be resolved.
C7 -there is no alteration-you play G mel min/on this scale there is the note F# which is in the C7#11 chord-static
C7alt -need to resolve-you play Db mel min/ this scale includes all the altered notes of the C7alt chord.
It has always suited my improvisation.
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Originally Posted by Clint 55
When you have a happy tune.. should be completely happy and upbeat and energetic and .....
So, what are the sad chords doing in there? Yeah, the home chord is a maj, most could be maj. But a bunch of min chords may be in there and they are NOT sad at all.
Just that, in my 20s, I was thinking about whats good and awesome in music. And noticed when a chord comes, say.. a solid minor triad.. And it does not sound sad but does something.. something else than plain "sad".. that you don't hear it as "sad", then. Hm
I never finished that thought but you know, sad&happy chords are like.. black pepper on tomato. Pepper by itself is one thing, with tomato its something completely different.
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Originally Posted by emanresu
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