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Originally Posted by Clint 55
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11-22-2020 12:41 PM
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It's both.
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Originally Posted by Lobomov
but I’ve been blessed to play with some outstanding musicians and while some have no theory knowledge to speak of the one thing they all have in common is extensive listening,ear learning and playing experience. So.... do with that info what you will.
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99% of people would get more mileage out of replacing their theory studies with practical playing
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BTW, I just wanted to say that Christiaan is a bad mofo on the guitar, so maybe I should be listening to him.
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11-22-2020, 01:36 PM #106Dutchbopper GuestOriginally Posted by djg
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Well tbf I’ve never heard the man (djg) play, so some links would be great, if possible.
Also starting at 37? An inspiration yourself I would say.
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Originally Posted by Lobomov
I studied theory in high school as a hobby, and also as an elective in 12th grade. It didn't interfere with my practicing time any more than any other thing I did on a typical day.
The guitar has an informal culture. There seems to be some kind of pride in remaining ignorant. Maybe it's just plain old fashioned laziness, or maybe it's the gypsy or delta blues man persona. Hmmm. I'm goin' with lazy.
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11-22-2020, 01:51 PM #109Dutchbopper Guest
[QUOTE=christianm77;1077256]Well tbf I’ve never heard the man (djg) play, so some links would be great, if possible.
He's a modest guy. I only found one clip on the tube with snippets of a recent CD. I hope he does not mind.
Here's his website. Hope he does not mind. He is one of the few players here that I have actually talked to in person and even played with.
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Also starting at 37? An inspiration yourself I would say.
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Originally Posted by Dutchbopper
So what's the (supposed) ethic here? "Teaching music is bad", or is it only bad when done on campus soil?
Just a note (pun intended), but when a gypsy shows another gypsy "hey do it like this, not like that" they are teaching a theory. It's limited, but its still a theory.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
Look forward to hearing more hopefully.
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Originally Posted by charlieparker
The key to learning theory is application. Don't stop theory studies when you put the book down. And don't stop when you have composed something.
Rather, apply what you study on your instrument - right away. The same day, in other words.
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Originally Posted by Clint 55
Yes it is, and it's analyzed and taught. Even at Berklee. Gasp!
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Originally Posted by Lobomov
1. You copy him.
2. You also copy Joe Pass, who devoted a great deal of his life to intepreting that style of playing on the guitar.
3. You can also gain some insight into constructing coherent sounding chord outlines through Jazz Ed. There are many sources but to be direct, here are three:
- Target Tones, by Don Mock (GIT),
- Jazz Improvisation For Guitar, A Melodic Approach, by Garrison Fewell, chapters 8 and 9 (Berklee)
- Bert Ligon's books (UNT grad)
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Originally Posted by Dutchbopper
Analyzing and documenting the construction of the jazz language has been worked on very hard over the last few decades. And most of that hard work at research and writing has been completed by educators at US colleges. We have evolved significantly from the John Mehegan days. That is also a fact.
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Originally Posted by GTRMan
Sorry did you change your mind?
That is exacly what Christiaans videos is about and what this entire thread is recommending
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Originally Posted by Lobomov
No, no, no, no, no. You chopped off my last points.
I don't believe in imitation only.
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11-22-2020, 02:38 PM #118Dutchbopper GuestOriginally Posted by GTRMan
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And once again we have a thread about Improv in the Theory section.
Not to complain, but it's the non-music major or informal player who constantly runs all the music instruction topics together into a big bowl of soup. I get it, but it's so easy to straighten out. Just go to school. And I also understand that you can play a guitar before learning theory. I did.
But for a larger view of music I recommend taking the arranging courses at Berklee Online - all you have to do is put your cash down and sign up. If you know your theory you should be fine. If not, you'll be done by lesson 4.
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Originally Posted by GTRMan
No one here is talking about pure imitation ...
The statement is:
If you want to get better at playing then play instead of reading books.
It's a video is:
Targeted at intermediate players and not Berklee students.
The method is:
Transcribe/learn as much as you can .. Then apply those licks and phrases different setting and tunes.
Christiaan's teaching style:
This month is Donna Lee month
Here is the theme.
Here is a Charlie Parker sole
Here is a Django Solo
Here is a Birelli Solo
And let us round off with a recap of the in my opinion best lick from those solos applied to different settings
Btw .. to round off .. Here is a Rhythm workout if you ever need to comp on Donna Lee
You'd rather have me read Mark Levin?
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Originally Posted by GTRMan
You're slightly autistic? A bit of rain man?
If so, my apologies that my lack of utmost care where I post my threads offended you. In my head this is a thread about what aspects of music theory is important in. Next time I'll start one in improvisation for the ones that wish to discuss theory seen as a necesity to improvise. I'll start another for theory as a composing tool in a relevant non-theory section .. Then I'll start one in Gear about the proper amount of theory needed before you can buy a Gibson Super 400
After all it's not like this is a low traffic forum, where everyone can just press "new posts" and can see all threads discussed the last couple of days without much effort.
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Originally Posted by Lobomov
Why, yes. And for jazz theory you could read Mark Levine.
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Bottom line - it's a false equivalence. Do both. There are 16 waking hours in a day. A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
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There is a great Taoist story/parable that illustrates this, but at the moment my oven timer is going off, so I gotta run!
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So I finally had the time to watch the whole OP video. I liked it a lot. I don't see what all the fuss is about really. The title perhaps?
One thing that hit me is that C. seems to be mostly coming from a pretty narrow guitar practice in this vid: Gypsy. I think his approach makes the utmost sense there. It's practical. Learn to do what Django did. My guitar life has been about trying to be ready to play anything. Possibly even something I've never thought of before. I think it makes a difference. Just studying licks and chord shapes won't get there.
I cracked up when Chris reacted to Rhett's thing about learning all your triads. Plays a simple triad and shows a bit of a sour face... like: "how lame is that? why would I want to know that? why would I ever play it?"
But he also talks about what an amazing player Lage is and how much fun it was to jam with him. Julian's a Berklee grad and much more.
Anyways, I think there's been some great discussion which I've enjoyed, for the most part.
KA PAF info please
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