How much music theory do I need before getting into jazz?

[christianm77]

But the live stuff on YouTube is if anything better

[AlexMalmis]

That's the one - Seven Days of Falling is my favourite.

Listening right now.. only a bit tho. Dont have headphones atm. Will listen on the bus home though.

[AlexMalmis]

are these group lessons?

these also look ok:

Musikteori




Musikteori är en grundkurs i gehörs- och intervallära.
För dig som vill komplettera din instrumentalundervisning med extra studier i grundläggande musikteori. Rådgör med din instrumentallärare.
Undervisningen sker i större grupp.
Avgiftsfri för Kulturskolans elever


Spela i band




Sång, elgitarr, klaviatur, elbas och trummor

Vi börjar med gruppundervisning. Dels instrumentvis och dels med blandade instrument.
Vanlig repertoar är blues, pop och rock med mera. Första konserten har vi redan första terminen.
Inga förkunskaper krävs. Du behöver själv köpa ditt instrument.

Yeah it is group lessons. Yeah the other ones also seem good. Musictheory is probably a good Idea or the one with the band. Not sure...

[AlexMalmis]

I can learn theory at home but I cant play in a band at home so so you think play in a band is a good Idea?

[christianm77]

I can learn theory at home but I cant play in a band at home so so you think play in a band is a good Idea?

It’s the best way to learn

[AlexMalmis]

It’s the best way to learn

What if I join and then they play pop shit..?...

[AlexMalmis]

then you play pop shit for a while. nothing wrong with that. still the best way to learn. and it's usually much more fun to play pop shit than to listen to it.

Well that is true. Hoppfullt they Will like stuff like rock or something instead. My favorit genres are like jazz, metal and rock.

[AlexMalmis]

It’s the best way to learn

I am practicing the shell voicings right now. When I do stuff like 8x88xx I often hit the b/e string and it sounds so wrong because they arent supposed to be there. I guess I will have to mute them but with which finger?
234 is used for the chord, 1 is used to mute the a string so how do I mute the b/e strings? should I rest down the 4 finger and mute with it?

[joe2758]

I am practicing the shell voicings right now. When I do stuff like 8x88xx I often hit the b/e string and it sounds so wrong because they arent supposed to be there. I guess I will have to mute them but with which finger?
234 is used for the chord, 1 is used to mute the a string so how do I mute the b/e strings? should I rest down the 4 finger and mute with it?

this might be different for everyone, but the way my hand naturally falls: I mute the A string with by 2nd finger, the 2nd with my 4th finger, and the E string with like the base of my first finger. The first finger is completely relaxed

[AlexMalmis]

hmm I really need to learn the notes of the fretboard. I takes a long time before I find root notes of chords. Does anyone know a good approach to learning them?

[joe2758]

You shouldn't have to think about it too much. One teacher told me "just be sort of lazy."

Mute all the strings with your left hand, and fret one note with your 3rd finger on the 2nd string. strum. that's the idea

[joe2758]

go up and down each string and name and play each natural (not sharp or flat) note. then go up and down each fret and name every and play note (including flat notes, Jazz players generally call things flat more often than sharp). do it every day and you should be pretty good in a week

[AlexMalmis]

go up and down each string and name and play each natural (not sharp or flat) note. then go up and down each fret and name every note (including flat notes, Jazz players generally call things flat more often than sharp)

okay

[joe2758]

Alex, you should post your autumn leaves in shell voicings when you're ready and Christian can give you some tips on playing the rhythm. He's really good at rhythm guitar

[AlexMalmis]

Alex, you should post your autumn leaves in shell voicings when you're ready and Christian can give you some tips on playing the rhythm. He's really good at rhythm guitar

yup I will post a video when I am ready.

[ragman1]

[AlexMalmis]

thanks.

[AlexMalmis]

I am ready to post a video soon. Maybe in 20 minutes or something. btw I am supposed to play the every chord twice and I should mute the chord between the 2 times right?

[AlexMalmis]

no play every chord 4 times. relax your left hand slightly after each beat so the chords do not ring out.

4times 8x88xx
4times x878xx
4times 6x77xx etc

just play the chords evenly, don't try to swing. if you play each chord nice and short it'll swing by itself.

So I should play the second way I do in this vid.

[AlexMalmis]

yes. but do it much slower. and keep the chords short, they mustn't ring out.

try this tempo:

when I make them not ring out I kinda get a buzz when I am relaxing..

[joe2758]

sounds good. try playing the first way except play each chord 4 times...that's closer to what you should be doing. Good job though.

edit oops, posted same time a djg. His video is good-- do that

[lammie200]

hmm I really need to learn the notes of the fretboard. I takes a long time before I find root notes of chords. Does anyone know a good approach to learning them?

Assume the standard tuning. Look at the relationships between two adjacent strings. Consider the lower 4 strings "bass" strings. The lower 6th and 5th string notes repeat on the 4th and 3rd strings two frets up. The higher "treble" string notes on the 2nd and 1st strings are repeated three frets up from the notes on the 4th and 3rd strings. It's a two fret / three fret pattern of repeated notes. I look for patterns and intervals much more so than notes names.

[AlexMalmis]

I should get better at reading notes. It takes like 10 seconds for each note before I get it down on the fretboard. Also which notes are the same octave? I mean if I see a e on the notation I don't know if I should play open 6th string or open 1st string.

[mr. beaumont]

I should get better at reading notes. It takes like 10 seconds for each note before I get it down on the fretboard. Also which notes are the same octave? I mean if I see a e on the notation I don't know if I should play open 6th string or open 1st string.

Here's where reading a line for guitar is weird...guitar sounds an octave lower than you are reading...

So open low E is the E below the staff, E on the 2nd fret 4th string is the bottom line of the staff, open 1st string E is the "E" space (top space.)

Then, couple that with the fact that usually you will play the melody of a tune (as from a lead sheet) an octave higher than written...

[AlexMalmis]

Here's where reading a line for guitar is weird...guitar sounds an octave lower than you are reading...

So open low E is the E below the staff, E on the 2nd fret 4th string is the bottom line of the staff, open 1st string E is the "E" space (top space.)

Then, couple that with the fact that usually you will play the melody of a tune (as from a lead sheet) an octave higher than written...

okay thanks. Why do you usually play an octave higher than the lead sheet?