b7 over a major chord, which scale?

[BigDaddyLoveHandles]

Where does that phase occur in the recording?

[znerken]

Where does that phase occur in the recording?

Right when the solo start. 1:10 if I remember correctly.

[rpjazzguitar]

This is probably the biggest newbie question, but is utilizing the blues scale frequently considered very “bebopy”?

On another note, how did you like the solo? I found it very cool!

In case this is helpful:

I thought there were some good ideas and some classic licks in there. I thought he wasn't locked tight with the backing rhythmically.

[Jazzstdnt]

This is probably the biggest newbie question, but is utilizing the blues scale frequently considered very “bebopy”?

On another note, how did you like the solo? I found it very cool!

No, it's considered bluesy.

If it's bebop it has to have other characteristics going on too. (note: it is common for any jazz player to play with some blues phrases, from a little to a lot)

Eric Clapton does not play like Charlie Parker, or Joe Pass for that matter, but Clapton plays the blues scale.

[znerken]

No, it's considered bluesy.

If it's bebop it has to have other characteristics going on too. (note: it is common for any jazz player to play with some blues phrases, from a little to a lot)

Eric Clapton does not play like Charlie Parker, or Joe Pass for that matter, but Clapton plays the blues scale.

Of course, I mean in the context of a jazz solo :-)

[Jazzstdnt]

Of course, I mean in the context of a jazz solo :-)

OK, answer is still no.

Not all jazz is boppish, but almost every jazz style injects the blues into its sound now and then.

[ragman1]

Right when the solo start. 1:10 if I remember correctly.

Probably just a beboppy blues idea, basically. Not worth over-analysing it. I did like the video, quite a nice player :-)

Point is, I don't think he was playing entirely by rote and this stuff is difficult. So he could very, very easily have just popped that note in on the fly. Easily done and doesn't matter a bit.

[mr. beaumont]

Man, maybe I had a shitty day, but I think that clip is awful. I certainly wouldn't recommend learning anything that cat is teaching unless it's free...his time on the melody is terrible.

[znerken]

Man, maybe I had a shitty day, but I think that clip is awful. I certainly wouldn't recommend learning anything that cat is teaching unless it's free...his time on the melody is terrible.

Still the motifs/phrases/lines are worth learning, if you learn them by his tab? Would you care to explain how his time is terrible? For me to learn from :-)

[znerken]

OK, answer is still no.

Not all jazz is boppish, but almost every jazz style injects the blues into its sound now and then.

Okay. Nice answer.

So to take it forward. What makes his solo boppy then? Besides the bebop scale :-)

[znerken]

Probably just a beboppy blues idea, basically. Not worth over-analysing it. I did like the video, quite a nice player :-)

Point is, I don't think he was playing entirely by rote and this stuff is difficult. So he could very, very easily have just popped that note in on the fly. Easily done and doesn't matter a bit.

Good point! However, he hits that b7 in both the first and the second time that F^7 chord is played. See the tab. First and fourth bar.

[christianm77]

This is probably the biggest newbie question, but is utilizing the blues scale frequently considered very “bebopy”?

Not specifically. But using the b7 is common.

[christianm77]

Still the motifs/phrases/lines are worth learning, if you learn them by his tab? Would you care to explain how his time is terrible? For me to learn from :-)

Tbh I think you’d be better off learning a solo from one of the great jazz players. There’s plenty of transcriptions out there that people have done.

Let me ask you a question - do you actually listen to jazz?

[znerken]

Tbh I think you’d be better off learning a solo from one of the great jazz players. There’s plenty of transcriptions out there that people have done.

Let me ask you a question - do you actually listen to jazz?

Yes, I do!

I like Miles solo on Bye Bye Blackbird(Round About Midnight).

However, I have a hard time finding any other solos on Bye Bye Blackbird, especially beboppy ones. When I stumbled upon the one on youtube, I liked how it sounded, so I decided to learn it.

Let me ask you a question. Do you have any recordings/songs(any standard) of great jazz guitar players who plays bebop? Please feel free to share, cause I feel I need all the influences I can get.

[christianm77]

Yes, I do!

I like Miles solo on Bye Bye Blackbird(Round About Midnight).

However, I have a hard time finding any other solos on Bye Bye Blackbird, especially beboppy ones. When I stumbled upon the one on youtube, I liked how it sounded, so I decided to learn it.

Let me ask you a question. Do you have any recordings/songs(any standard) of great jazz guitar players who plays bebop? Please feel free to share, cause I feel I need all the influences I can get.

I’m an old duffer so I pay for music and I expect others to do the same.

My favourite pure bop guitar player is probably Jimmy Raney. Other greats include Tal Farlow, Barney Kessel, Chuck Wayne, Joe Pass, early Pat Martino perhaps....

[znerken]

I’m an old duffer so I pay for music and I expect others to do the same.

My favourite pure bop guitar player is probably Jimmy Raney. Other greats include Tal Farlow, Barney Kessel, Chuck Wayne, Joe Pass, early Pat Martino perhaps....

Nonono, you are misunderstanding me. I'll buy the songs myself, I meant recommend me some name of tunes. Sorry, probably my poor choice of words.

[christianm77]

Sure: I’ll just recommend Jimmy Raney - there’s one he did with Jim Hall and Zoot Sims - two Jims and zoot, so that’s two of my favourite guitarists on that record, good value for money lol

I like Jimmy Raney in Three Attitudes and the live stuff he cut with Stan Getz (bad sound quality but great music)

[ragman1]

Good point! However, he hits that b7 in both the first and the second time that F^7 chord is played. See the tab. First and fourth bar.

Okay, I've got the site now. Sorry, I'm a bit slow. I can see a notation transcription but no tab.

The player is a teacher?? Sorry, I didn't realise that. Hmm, in that case... he has got some nice licks and lines. I mean, I'm no expert but it sounds boppy to me.

As the others have pointed out, if it's not a sync problem the timing is pretty awful. If he's trying to teach then he ought to sort that out, no question.

You're saying he repeats that Eb over the M7... I just think he's treating the M7 like a straight major chord and playing blues lines over it. It does give another note option after all. Or he could be thinking the bebop scale (which he does use). Or... I don't know.

He does reference the blues in that web site again and again so that's probably it. The video is actually labelled: 'Demo exercise for using bebop line, blues scale line and short motif line' so I think that's the idea.

If you listen to the solo without knowing anything, as if for the first time, does that note really bother the ear? Or is it only in analysing it later that the query comes up? If it doesn't make the listener cringe what's the harm in it?

[znerken]

Okay, I've got the site now. Sorry, I'm a bit slow. I can see a notation transcription but no tab.

The player is a teacher?? Sorry, I didn't realise that. Hmm, in that case... he has got some nice licks and lines. I mean, I'm no expert but it sounds boppy to me.

As the others have pointed out, if it's not a sync problem the timing is pretty awful. If he's trying to teach then he ought to sort that out, no question.

You're saying he repeats that Eb over the M7... I just think he's treating the M7 like a straight major chord and playing blues lines over it. It does give another note option after all. Or he could be thinking the bebop scale (which he does use). Or... I don't know.

He does reference the blues in that web site again and again so that's probably it. The video is actually labelled: 'Demo exercise for using bebop line, blues scale line and short motif line' so I think that's the idea.

If you listen to the solo without knowing anything, as if for the first time, does that note really bother the ear? Or is it only in analysing it later that the query comes up? If it doesn't make the listener cringe what's the harm in it?

Ye, I think you are correct.

Well, I think it sounds great. I just wanted to understand the theory of it, so I could use it on other standards as well. I started learning the solo, just because I heard some cool lines, and what I recognised as bebop. Okay, he's out of time, but you can use the sheet music and play it in time, by practicing it with a metronome. Okay okay, I should probably listen to one of the legends, but I haven't find many recordings of Bye Bye Blackbird, at least not ones I like a lot. You have Miles version, but I also like to hear have guitarists tackle it.

[grahambop]

I've never heard a version by any of the 'big' jazz guitar names, however it seems there was a recording featuring Kenny Burrell (on a Jimmy Smith record):

Jazz Standards Songs and Instrumentals (Bye Bye Blackbird)

[znerken]

I've never heard a version by any of the 'big' jazz guitar names, however it seems there was a recording featuring Kenny Burrell (on a Jimmy Smith record):

Jazz Standards Songs and Instrumentals (Bye Bye Blackbird)

Yes, I have actually transcribed like 70% of that solo. It's at a very high tempo, and not the best solo I have heard to be honestly.

[ragman1]

Ye, I think you are correct.

Well, I think it sounds great. I just wanted to understand the theory of it, so I could use it on other standards as well. I started learning the solo, just because I heard some cool lines, and what I recognised as bebop. Okay, he's out of time, but you can use the sheet music and play it in time, by practicing it with a metronome. Okay okay, I should probably listen to one of the legends, but I haven't find many recordings of Bye Bye Blackbird, at least not ones I like a lot. You have Miles version, but I also like to hear have guitarists tackle it.

I've been looking for a Scofield version but I can't find one. I think you're right, there's nothing wrong with getting licks and whatnot from that site. Apart from the presentation, which is a bit sloppy, there's plenty of good stuff there.

So, er, when do we get to hear you then?

[ragman1]

There's this. Starts slow, gets going.

[ragman1]

Barry Greene might be worth signing up for. Performance at 3.18.

[znerken]

So since I am learning a lot from this, I hope I can ask more questions about the score. On the 8th measure, he plays what seems to be notes not from the Ab diminished scale, so what are they from? Could it be a that he's just staying in F major, and using the Gb as a passing note?




Edit, so it was actually a 7, and not a root, so I guess just F major with Gb as passing note.