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As an experiment during practice, I thought that I'd incorporate the Overtone Series of notes into a scale and listen to the results.
As you probably already know, when you play a single note, many other quieter notes are produced, my understanding is that these are called the Overtone Series of notes.
Overtone Series of notes. (See picture below.)
C G E A# D F# A B C#
If you put first 9 notes of the Overtone Series together in a scale you have:
C C# D E F# G A A# B C
To give it a name, I've decided on The Lydian Major Overtone Scale, because it sounds Lydian(ish) to my ears.
"C" Lydian Major Overtone scale: C C# D E F# G A A# B
I must say, I've created some nice lines over Major/Lydian chords using combinations of notes from this scale.
Try it and give it a listen for yourself.
Last edited by GuyBoden; 02-22-2015 at 12:23 PM. Reason: Changed the name to: The Lydian Major Overtone Scale
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02-18-2015 12:21 PM
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When I was in music school back in the Jurassic era they taught a Overtone scale that they said fit with the overtones. Today that is called the Lydian Dominant scale or Lydian b7.
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Yeah, name is already taken.
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ahh..the melodic minor to the rescue once again...
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If I do have to say so myself, I think this is an excellent scale for a modern Bebop sound.
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You do know that the notes keep going, past chromatic etc... and our tuned version within an octave is very different than the real overtones series. 1 ,1/2. 1/3, 1/4, 1/5 ... for ever.
I do dig the tuned version, but I also live at 1625 melodic minor way
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Originally Posted by Reg
or as ted greene said re: overtone series...you would need a fretboard several hundred miles long,,,
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As an Engineer, I think I understand the Overtone Harmonic Series (Fourier analysis is Mathematics), and as a passionate guitarist, I've spent most of my life with the Melodic Minor modes. Originally Posted by Reg
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Hey Guy... you probable understand the series much better than I...
But don't you hear the scale as Lydian b7 or Lydian Dom ... with somewhat dominant approach notes thrown in, very similar to bebop scales. Or do you really hear the C# and the B as scale tones.
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Is there a mistake in the harmonic series chart in post#1? Overtone #14 should be Bb, one octave above overtone #7; overtone #15 should be B, a fifth above overtone #5, and overtone #16 should be C, four octaves above the original tone.
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No, but I'm trying my best, I hear what you're saying, but I'm trying not to think/hear Mm Mode 4. I'm determined to make this scale work even if it kills me............. Originally Posted by Reg
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My scale app calls it a mode of the Kiourdi (Kourdi or Kurdi ?) scale. It includes 75% of the chromatic scale (SIX notes in a row) ! Originally Posted by Reg
Also, doesn't Lydian already imply majorness (C Lydian has E not an Eb) ?
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Is this correct: Originally Posted by Ren
Last edited by GuyBoden; 02-22-2015 at 12:34 PM. Reason: Is this correct:
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Originally Posted by medblues
Depending on your point of view, yes, it's a lydian scale with a couple of extra notes.
"C" Lydian scale: C D E F# G A B
"C" Lydian Major Overtone scale: C C# D E F# G A A# B
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Or a Lydian Dominant with a few extra notes
"C" Lydian Dominant:C D E F# G A Bb
"C" Lydian Major Overtone scale: C C# D E F# G A A# B
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Or some rehashed Bebop scales.
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That looks better. Thanks!
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Or could call it the Lydian Dominant, Bebop Dominant scale variations for chord tone and non chord tone starting note combined. <grin> Originally Posted by GuyBoden
Depending on your point of view, yes, it's a lydian scale with a couple of extra notes.
"C" Lydian scale: C D E F# G A B
"C" Lydian Major Overtone scale: C C# D E F# G A A# B
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Or a Lydian Dominant with a few extra notes
"C" Lydian Dominant:C D E F# G A Bb
"C" Lydian Major Overtone scale: C C# D E F# G A A# B
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Or some rehashed Bebop scales.
Guess that's why when you hear the guys who've been playing a long time say there's only one scale, the chromatic scale. All notes work over any chord you just have to learn how to use them.
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As an anthropological experiment and because everyone needs a spot in history, EVERY time ill use this scale I will use the term "Lydian Major Overtone scale".
Then maybe when I turn 80 ill open a new jazz guitar book (a 3d floating one) and see "Lydian Major Overtone scale" printed in it.
Ill KNOW then, that I have been part of this, that I witness the beginnings in this thread and remember GuyBoden.
And my life will not be vain.
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Originally Posted by Takemitsu
I like that idea kind of a huge hologram of floating dots on a grid and by then they should have touch associated so you can feel that b9. Get the feel being at home fondling the root.
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Now we're talking...
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I've just stumbled on this 10 year old post by 'Guy Boden'. Originally Posted by GuyBoden
As an experiment during practice, I thought that I'd incorporate the Overtone Series of notes into a scale and listen to the results.
As you probably already know, when you play a single note, many other quieter notes are produced, my understanding is that these are called the Overtone Series of notes.
Overtone Series of notes. (See picture below.)
C G E A# D F# A B C#
If you put first 9 notes of the Overtone Series together in a scale you have:
C C# D E F# G A A# B C
To give it a name, I've decided on The Lydian Major Overtone Scale, because it sounds Lydian(ish) to my ears.
"C" Lydian Major Overtone scale: C C# D E F# G A A# B
I must say, I've created some nice lines over Major/Lydian chords using combinations of notes from this scale.
Try it and give it a listen for yourself.
What was I thinking 10 years ago, I was totally lost in melodic minor scales.
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