Calling Petey - Chromatic ornaments for 1 note

[Al Haig]

I remember you said you outlined this once in response to my lazy approach to it. I want to get these together (now that I play a primary melody instrument).

I'm thinking

Approach: 1-3+ chromatic notes from above or below.
Enclosure: Half or whole step from above, half step from below. Or reverse.
Run through: Main note, whole or half step from above, half step below, main note.
Neighbor tone: main note, whole or half step up or down, main note.

[AllanAllen]

Check this sweet thread out

Digital Patterns for Jazz

[Al Haig]

That's a good one! More for motif generation tho ya? I will go through it.

[AllanAllen]

I saw some embellishments in there. I honestly only skimmed it. I have a lot on my plate at the moment.

[pamosmusic]

Bat signal?

[Al Haig]

^ Yes haha

I saw some embellishments in there. I honestly only skimmed it. I have a lot on my plate at the moment.

Yes there are chromatic embellishments as well as motifs. My goal is to outline all the chromatic embellishments.

[pamosmusic]

There's this:

ornaments.pdf - Google Drive

And this:

clifford turns.pdf - Google Drive

There's more with the clifford stuff, but that's all I've got at the moment. That's probably closer to what you want.

[Al Haig]

Thx. Those twiddles and turns look good, naturally occurring ornaments. Seems like my run through has the 1st part of the structure.

[PMB]

Here's something I put together that might help:

[Christian Miller]

Slonimsky


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[Christian Miller]

I remember you said you outlined this once in response to my lazy approach to it. I want to get these together (now that I play a primary melody instrument).

I'm thinking

Approaches: 1-3 (or more?) chromatic notes from above or below. I guess 1 note is an appoggiatura but I think it fits fine in this category.
Enclosures: Half or whole step from above, half step from below.
Run throughs: Main note, whole or half step from above, half step below, main note.
Drop back (made up by an OS member): main note, whole or half step back, main note.

The classical term for Drop back is mordent btw


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[GuyBoden]

Yes, I use a lot of Chromatic Enclosures. I find it easier, because I know note intervals. Also, not starting on the first beat of a bar sounds better to my ears.

IMHO, this is a good line, it shows the intervals too:

[wolflen]

[QUOTE=GuyBoden;1397544]Yes, I use a lot of Chromatic Enclosures. I find it easier, because I know note intervals. Also, not starting on the first beat of a bar sounds better to my ears.

IMHO, this is a good line, it shows the intervals too:QUOTE]

yes..agree about starting on an upbeat.

While the line is basically easy.. for me it lends it self to be altered into a crunchy "steely dan" flavor as they used alot of chromatic devices.

[pamosmusic]

The classical term for Drop back is mordent btw


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Lay that knowledge on me. I always forget the names.

Target, above, and back is trill.

Target, above, back, below, back is a turn.

what else ya got

[pamosmusic]

Here’s notes I got from a Jerry Bergonzi thing:

approaches.pdf - Google Drive

[Al Haig]

Thx for the input everyone. Looks like I'm not terribly off with my summary but there are a few more things than can be included. Mostly under the run through heading. If anyone wants to summarize all the groups as they see it that would be good.

The classical term for Drop back is mordent btw.

That's good to know!

[princeplanet]

Here's something I put together that might help:

These are great! Care to also share ones you no doubt prepared for other uses (Minor? Dominant? etc?)

[PMB]

These are great! Care to also share ones you no doubt prepared for other uses (Minor? Dominant? etc?)

Thanks prince. I never got around to writing them all out but I intend to sometime soon. I've been too busy playing lately (a nice problem to have!).

[Mick-7]

These are great! Care to also share ones you no doubt prepared for other uses (Minor? Dominant? etc?)

Any major pattern can be used for minor and dominant chords too. As Christian mentioned, Slonimsky's Encyclopedia of Scales and Melodic Patterns is exactly what the title implies, an encyclopedia of patterns, most of which are nondiatonic.

[GuyBoden]

Here is a Scott Hamilton 'double enclosure', E-D-Eb-Db-D

[Christian Miller]

I mean, I know everyone will roll their eyes, but really this is all classical stuff.

I always think of Mozart as the neighbour tones guy... Rondo ala Turca is a great and obvious example of a melody constructed this way. The nineteenth century guys used it even more if anything, and this is part of the European inheritance of jazz.

Actually, I always think ole Wolfgang gets short shrift among jazzers. Jazzers always go on about Bach, but there's a lot that both Jazzers and Mozart do that Bach doesn't, like how Mozart likes to voice lead cycling dominant chords and his melodic use of chromaticism (Bach uses a lot of chromaticism of course, but it's kind of different?).

On the guitar you see it in the early romantic repertoire - Sor, Merz etc.

The 1-7-b7 passing tone is a popular one with Romantic composers too...

Pianists for example grow up playing this stuff of course, so they have it all in their ears.

[PMB]

Here's an update and link to my major/dominant/minor 'approach notes & enclosures' file.

Feedback welcome!

Approach Notes & Enclosures.pdf - Google Drive

[Al Haig]

I mean, I know everyone will roll their eyes, but really this is all classical stuff.

I wouldn't be critical of that notion at all. I'm sure all the ornaments first appeared in classical.

[Mick-7]

I wouldn't be critical of that notion at all. I'm sure all the ornaments first appeared in classical.

Pretty sure they first appeared on a Christmas tree.

[Al Haig]