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Originally Posted by ragman1
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05-03-2024 02:29 PM
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I know.
Really complicated. Only for heavyweight techies :-)
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Originally Posted by Reg
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Charts are useful when playing cold. But my experience is the music gets deeper once they go away. I hate seeing them on a bandstand. I pride myself on always being the first person in the group to memorize a tune. I feel like I play better when I do too.
As for me, if I don’t know a song, I usually prefer for someone to walk me through it verbally (quickly) rather than look at a chart. After comping a couple choruses I think people should be able to play (ie comp and blow) a tune without looking. All depends on how complex the tune is.
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Tbh if you have a decent repertoire sometimes tunes are easier to learn by ear on the band stand. Used to be like that when I was playing with dance bands, three or four set gigs. No breaks between tunes to look through books, straightforward GASB and old jazz rep based on familiar chunks. Often tunes would get transposed on the fly as well. Charts not much good in that setting.
Obviously if you are playing modern rep it’s a different story. But even so there’s value in learning that material by ear if you want to add a tune to your repetoire. Anything that extends the ears is time well spent.
Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkLast edited by Christian Miller; 05-04-2024 at 12:00 PM.
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Found the first two new real books used for $25 total. First one comes today.
Oops.
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Originally Posted by omphalopsychos
When I’m working with close friends or the other players are just happy to get together to play, a rehearsal works out well. But 3/4 or more of the 150 or so gigs I play in a year are done at least in part from charts or fakebooks. I prefer having my own sidemen using a fakebook or the printed pdfs I’ll hand out to keep us all on the same chords and form. It’s especially important for tunes none of us has played for a long time.
Even with this, I’ve had a few train wrecks. Having the chart in front of me keeps my focus on the show, even if I don’t need it. I admit to playing almost every tune from memory on my own gigs, and I only look at the tune list. One night a few years ago, I got to Tenderly on the list and immediately launched into a passionate rubato intro……for Misty, which I proceeded to play. Fortunately, the band had lots of time to correct course, and they were right there with me when the tempo hit. When I realized what I’d done, I couldn’t stop laughing - but the audience never seemed to notice that anything happened. I still haven’t heard the end of that one.
I set a theme for each of my trio’s Thursday night shows, and 2 weeks ago it was jazz versions of movie themes. I put a tune list that includes the specific fake book and page for each song on each music stand. One of the guys opened Blue Moon instead of Moon River, and he didn’t figure out that he wasn’t playing the same tune I was for several bars. I picked it up into the second bar and stopped playing the lead until I could get his attention. I got him onto the right tune, but it took at least 30 painful seconds during which time I went to fingerstyle until he stopped playing Blue Moon and opened the right chart. It was Chet Atkins plays Mancini for several bars.
I record most of my gigs for quality control. Every once in a while, I listen to these and more to remind me why I need to pay more attention to everything. You never miss your water ‘til the well runs dry.
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
Then I'd use the following shortcut keys to rotate the picture and then save it. (Or you can click the buttons)
Rotate Picture: crt+r
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Originally Posted by pamosmusic
They sent me Bb
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
The big band I’ve played with rehearses every other month. The other big band out here rehearses once a year and plays 6 times a year.
Hard to develop an ear that way, compared to the old guard who played 4 hour gigs 7 nights a week, the jammed after hours. Maybe a few brunch or early hotel lobby gigs tossed in during the day.
Pretty easy to develop an ear that way compared to one gig a month and 3 tunes at a random jazz jam.
And like NSHSI said, nobody rehearses a pickup band for a one off $100 gig.
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Originally Posted by pamosmusic
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Originally Posted by AllanAllen
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Originally Posted by pamosmusic
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Originally Posted by AllanAllen
I still find myself in situations with players who know a certain repertoire really well and I don’t know half of the calls.
Consider though that the two main skills you may need if you want to play gigs are ears/rep and reading.
Everyone’s route through this is different. The only advice I’d give is learn music you care about. If you are gigging there’s plenty of call to learn other peoples stuff haha.
It also depends where you live. A lot of London horn players are insane sight readers but don’t know many tunes (although some really do). So if you play tunes with those guys, charts are pretty normal, but the flip side is those guys really can read fly droppings. The people who really roasted me on rep were unsurprisingly visiting New Yorkers.
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Originally Posted by pamosmusic
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Originally Posted by Kirk Garrett
me: why not guitar?
him: [shudders] that instrument scares me.
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Originally Posted by Kirk Garrett
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Originally Posted by pamosmusic
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Originally Posted by pamosmusicOriginally Posted by AllanAllen
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Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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Originally Posted by pamosmusic
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So... I found out the other day that there are a couple of dozen fake books (pdfs) on Scribd, including all the Real books (except I did not see Vol. VI). A free 30 day trial will allow you to download them all, plus many other music books. How they manage to evade copyright infringement law I don't know.
I discovered this when I was looking for info on this book and saw it was available on Scribd:
The Real Book, Enhanced Chords Edition by David Hazeltine
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Originally Posted by Mick-7
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Originally Posted by AllanAllen
Aria EA-650 pickguard question
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