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Originally Posted by pamosmusic
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That is very different than what the tin pan alley composers were doing. Maybe they'd be interesting to compare to someone like Duke Ellington or (more recently) Maria Schneider. They both have really rich orchestral sensibilities and don't generally write lead-sheet-able pieces for small bands. But they're still writing for working bands to perform and improvise within certain parameters, etc.
Anyway ... it's that practical distinction that is generally the operative one.
Commence the downward spiral about "what even is jazz really"
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02-15-2024 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by AllanAllen
We played James, Missouri uncompromized and BSL in school but never heard them at jams. Also you'll need them if you end up in the metheney ensemble
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Originally Posted by bediles
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Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith
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Originally Posted by pamosmusic
Tune-up
Blue in Green
Solar
(OK, maybe not those)
Nardis
Donna Lee
Seven Steps to Heaven
Milestones
Joshua
So What (I absolutely have played it at jams many times; Impressions as well)
All Blues
Freddie Freeloader
He goes on the list.
I'd throw in Bennie Golson (Stablemates, Whisper Not, Along Came Betty, I Remember Clifford, Killer Joe ...)
I think some of the ones that are being argued over (e.g., Mingus, Chick Corea) are played a lot at the higher echelons of players, but not at the, um, aspirational levels where most of us dwell. So to some cohorts they're "unavoidable", but maybe not others. I'm not at that top level by any stretch of the imagination, but do sometimes find myself on stage at jams with and/or listening to real cats who call tunes Like Humpty Dumpty, Tones for Jones Bones, Better Git It in Your Soul, etc. There are probably also regional/scene dimensions and other fashions to this e.g., I'm old enough to have been around when every horn player played Some Skunk Funk.
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Originally Posted by pamosmusic
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Originally Posted by Jimmy Smith
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Originally Posted by John A.
Chick Corea is great too. So I’m not knocking anyone as a composer. Just not one who comes up all the time. Though I forgot about Windows.
You’re also definitely not wrong about cliques and geographical proclivities. I used to go to this session all the time where Love Walked In was a favorite so I learned it and played it *all*the*time* … but i moved and I havent played it since. And believe me, I ask.
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Originally Posted by pamosmusic
Originally Posted by pamosmusic
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Originally Posted by John A.
Mingus would be an obvious one. Ornette Coleman too. But they’re tunes that are played the way you describe here. Not tunes you need to know just to be able to conduct yourself in the conversation, as it were.
And your point is taken about Love Walked In, but my point was that every area or niche has its particular tunes, but if a certain set of tunes is pretty common in some circles and not at all in others, that would imply that they actually are pretty avoidable, right?
So when I was in New York, I’d go to sessions and people would call Dexterity and Segment and whatnot … in Virginia it’s Billie’s Bounce. But you can’t avoid Charlie Parker.
On top of which, it might be a little odd if you didn’t have a Bird tune to play in place of one you didn’t know.
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Originally Posted by rictroll
Spain gets called fairly regularly, everybody seems to know it (except me!).
Windows got called once at a jam session, though I was not on stage.
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
And the last part of Phase Dance is usually a train wreck.
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Originally Posted by John A.
In my small corner of Japan, of the Miles tunes listed above, Four and Freddie Freeloader get called regularly at jam sessions, with Solar, So What, Nardis, All Blues and Milestones occasionally, while for Golson, Whisper Not is a regularly called tune, with Stablemates and I Remember Clifford turning up occasionally. For what it's worth, I call Killer Joe occasionally, but I haven't seen anyone else calling that here.
Most the sessions I go to are at the "aspirational level," as you say, but being a regular at several venues affords an occasional opportunity to jam with "higher echelon" players. Among the tunes we're listing here, Nardis, Milestones and I Remember Clifford fall into that category.
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Originally Posted by rictroll
I’ve never played any of those on a gig or a jam. Only James
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I mean if you hang out in certain circles, Jelly Roll Morton is unavoidable
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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Originally Posted by pcjazz
Tbf he was great. But also, no.
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Neal Hefti
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Did anyone mention Wes?
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Originally Posted by geoff23
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I mean if you go to Gypsy jazz jams, you are going to play some Django….
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I've had just about every tune mentioned called at one time or another -- but that's with a lot of people reading.
If it's going to be no-charts, the list shrinks to the usual suspects.
Of course, I'm not in NYC.
Who’s that guitarist?
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