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Originally Posted by christianm77
Anyhow, I was trying to imply most artist \ musicians like money and how in a capitalistic society that improves one life, just as much as anyone else. AND that doesn't make them 'sell-outs'.
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05-05-2020 08:43 PM
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Okay everyone tell me how GREAT music has evolved into. And please use some examples to prove your point. But audio only please!
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Originally Posted by christianm77
The thing that kills me is that everything he does, I've heard. I thrive on innovation and if it sounds like old hat I lose interest really quick.
Wish I could sing like him though.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
In much the same way, credentials as a musician rely on your troops. Do you get asses moving? Feet tapping? Minds tweaked by a fresh approach?
This is not a ranking contest, music. It is entertainment. Sometimes I like my entertainment highbrow, sometimes I like it cheap and easy, but if it fits the mood of the moment and moves me in the process, I'm cool. It's music.
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Originally Posted by emanresu
I play with my computer in Las Vegas now. Life could be worse.
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Originally Posted by jads57
Also, CitizenK is right. The means for production are within everyone's grasp. Of course that will change the product.
BTW did you notice that after the advent of the guitar, nobody has written a half-decent Lute suite anymore? Bloody modern crap.
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It is the phenomenon of seven producers in different time zones who collectively compose a recording at the behest of a committee at the media corporation, which needs a track to promote a film and simultaneously boost the flagging career of a once-promising singer.
Also, Auto-Tune.
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"Anyhow, I was trying to imply most artist \ musicians like money and how in a capitalistic society that improves one life, just as much as anyone else. AND that doesn't make them 'sell-outs'." jameslovestal
Hi, J,
In philosophy, the above statement is what is called a "non-sequitur"---"a conclusion or statement that does not logically follow from the previous argument or statement.."
So, if a classically trained, symphonic violinist who has spent over twenty years of his/her life polishing and refining their Art chooses, for economic reasons, a full-time job with an accordian player in a neighborhood Italian restaurant . . . they have NOT sold out? Could you please explain?
Good playing . . . Marinero
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In a capitalistic society, money is the end-all, be-all. Making money is the highest calling. Art, whether music, painting, or any other, is only a method for making money. We may pretend otherwise, but it's only pretending. If writing beautiful and interesting music is so easy, get off your ass and do it. The equipment no longer is so expensive that only big businesses can afford it, anyone with a personal computer and some relatively cheap software can do it. So stop complaining and do it. Put your best work out there and reap the profits.
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Originally Posted by Lobomov
Good playing. James
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Originally Posted by Lobomov
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Originally Posted by Thumpalumpacus
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Originally Posted by sgosnell
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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A bit late to the party here, but I actually think that amongst my peers (I'm in my 20s) there's quite a lot of appetite for more "harmonically complex" music. It just doesn't and cannot sound like what people in older generations may like. I think the main reason it's not popular is as those have already stated...it doesn't sell or it would sell but the labels/radios have already decided it won't and so don't play it. Btw I am no fan of today's popular music.
But that doesn't mean there isn't newer music being made that is actually moving and complex. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't there. The music will also be influenced by whatever is popular today, being that today's pop music (for me hip hop in particular) is essentially the repertoire of standards for my generation.
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Willie is still alive and kicking. Old yes, but not dead, and still playing.
And don't forget, the older generation was saying pretty much the same thing as bebop came on the scene, scorned as "Chinese music" when Chinese was a serious insult. It still is to some people. Then rock 'n roll killed all real music in the early '50s. And the British invasion of the '60s really killed music. I don't like most music from after the '40s that much, but that's just my preference, and doesn't mean that newer music is no good, just that I'm a stick-in-the-mud stuck in the distant past. I acknowledge that and don't really give a flying f&%k what others prefer. Just because I don't know of any good modern music doesn't mean that there is none, just that there is none that I've heard. My playlists are pretty limited, though.
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Again with ignorance? I stated Sting and the Police, which included Andy Summers. The fact that you all are unable to discern between Entertainment and Music Composition tells one all of the information one needs to know.
Please post a newer music clip of a worthy composition, as Ive kept asking for.
Or at least quit showing your ignorance of both the English language as well as music, by spouting negative comments as an answer.
Thanks!
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Originally Posted by jads57
You started this thread as a rant to get something off your chest. Most here indulged you in this regard. But trying to beat us into submission until we agree with you, is taking it too far.
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There have been no posts of any note worthy music in this entire thread. And if you think the ones are great compositions. You may want question what actual great harmony and composition looks like. From Bach to the Beatles, Ellington to Brian Wilson, Ray Charles to Willie Nelson, Dizzy Gillespie to Sting.
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Originally Posted by jads57
jads..relax man..I can feel your BP rise as you respond...look...as simple as I can say it..and Im sure many on here will agree...here is the crux of the situation..and its a cliche ...
A jazz guitarist plays a thousand chords..for three people...
a rock guitarist plays three chords for a thousand people..
now you may not like the reality of the business end of music..or the people/society that supports it...but there it is...the jazz guitarist goes home on public transportation..the rock guitarist has a 30 ft limo and 10 groupies..
frank zappa once said...jazz isnt dead..it just smells funny...and zappa was a prime example of NOT being MSM and being successful and origional
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Posting any music would be an exercise in futility, because jads has obviously made up his mind, and would not be swayed by anything, no matter how good it might be. The entire thread is an exercise in futility. I give up.
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And once again not one of you who've posted in this thread can come up with ANY SONG of worth! The ignorance is astounding around here!
Frank Zappa used Tommy Tedesco to play his written guiar parts he was unable to. But thats not here nor there. Its the actual songs themselves folks.
Even Pat Metheny,John Scofield,etc have written great songs. But again that was then when music was still a viable endevour.
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Yeah I'm pretty ignorant it's true.
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<<<<< blindly ignorant and stupid here
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Dumbfounded as usual for me.
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