Enough with the questions about time, already

[Litterick]

Meanwhile:

Jazz meets astrophysics in Parallax - a unique concert by New Zealand guitarist and composer Heather Webb.

This performance at the Ron Ball Studio in the Christchurch Town Hall is part of Heather Webb's Master of Creative Practice project undertaken at the Ara Institute of Canterbury. She describes the project as “a playful exploration of the crossover between astrophysics, outer space, musical theory, reflection and conviction.”

The idea that music and science are connected has a long and rich history. Heather's music explores and develops this idea, connecting and weaving improvised jazz with the structure of the universe. New compositions range from the Matariki star cluster data converted into music, to a musical interpretation of Einstein's wave-particle duality.

Heather Webb spoke with RNZ Concert host Bryan Crump on Three to Seven about her work.

[AdroitMage]

Unfortunately the word “hypotenuse” is forbidden on this forum, Christian. You’re going to need to leave.

If you say hypotenuse around someone and he thinks you just said a cuss word, maybe you need to think about upgrading the IQ of your clique.

[Christian Miller]

If you say hypotenuse around someone and he thinks you just said a cuss word, maybe you need to think about upgrading the IQ of your clique.

Don’t be obtuse


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[pamosmusic]

Don’t be obtuse


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And 20 points to you!!

[AdroitMage]

Don’t be obtuse


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I'm never obtuse. I'm a cute triangle. See what I did there?

My "spirit geometric shape" is the triangle, and I'm definitely no square.

[AdroitMage]

He’s a fake


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What isn't anymore?

[Mick-7]

Don’t be obtuse.

Yes, be hypo-obtuse, to set yourself apart from those who are merely obtuse.

[AdroitMage]

Yes, be hypo-obtuse, to set yourself apart from those who are merely obtuse.

You are actually really on to something here.

[AdroitMage]

Would you? Ok.

Causality is a big deal for physicists - esp relativists. It’s kind of built into the maths of Relativity at a basic level. It’s the reason why c is the cosmic speed limit. It’s quite a counterintuitive version of causality tbf but it’s integral to the theory.

It’s not hard to see actually, if you use a little basic math. In the special theory, It’s basically school child geometry with a twist, Euclid with a dimension - time - that appears as an imaginary number. the key property of an imaginary number is that when it is squared it becomes negative.

So if we calculate the hypotenuse of a triangle using this weird value we get a negative component

instead of
x^2 + y^2
You have

x^2 - t^2

(If we define units so that c=1)

when you have a world line x moving at c the space time interval - the hypotenuse vanishes to zero as both x and t become equal. So you’d need to have a triangle with negative length to break the light barrier. This makes mathematical sense I suppose but it does seem unphysical.

Actually, I prefer re time travel to think of it as conservation of energy in my own dumb way. If someone travels from the future they add their mass energy to the total in the universe. So you end up breaking a fundamental principle of macrocosmic physics.

I suspect it probably messes with the Second Law as well and no one messes with the Second Law.

But I expect it’s more complicated in reality with reference frames and so on.


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WOW, you know quite a bit about this stuff. Were you some kind of sciences major in college?

I wish I had time to read all the interesting physics books mentioned here. With me, though, the thing is, when I spend too much time on other things, I start feeling like I need to spend that time studying theory or working on some aspect of my playing. That alone makes me the opposite of most people, who value almost everything else more than playing a musical instrument. However, when I listen to me play my instrument compared to them playing thier instrument, the fruits of my discipline shines through then.

Here's an interesting point, the ray resulting from a zero angle can be infinite.

[Christian Miller]

WOW, you know quite a bit about this stuff. Were you some kind of sciences major in college?

I wish I had time to read all the interesting physics books mentioned here. With me, though, the thing is, when I spend too much time on other things, I start feeling like I need to spend that time studying theory or working on some aspect of my playing. That alone makes me the opposite of most people, who value almost everything else more than playing a musical instrument. However, when I listen to me play my instrument compared to them playing thier instrument, the fruits of my discipline shines through then.

Here's an interesting point, the ray resulting from a zero angle can be infinite.

I have a degree in astrophysics but it’s been about 25 years lol

I took electives in General Relativity and Cosmology so I have some basic knowledge of these subjects from the math side but I didn’t go up to a high level in these subjects.

Fun fact: I shared these classes with the guitarist from Coldplay

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[AllanAllen]

WOW, you know quite a bit about this stuff. Were you some kind of sciences major in college?

I wish I had time to read all the interesting physics books mentioned here. With me, though, the thing is, when I spend too much time on other things, I start feeling like I need to spend that time studying theory or working on some aspect of my playing. That alone makes me the opposite of most people, who value almost everything else more than playing a musical instrument. However, when I listen to me play my instrument compared to them playing thier instrument, the fruits of my discipline shines through then.

Here's an interesting point, the ray resulting from a zero angle can be infinite.

That's mighty arrogant.

Maybe one day you'll figure out the red circle is the record button, and put up something worth all this attitude.

[PickingMyEars]

I really didn't want to jump back into the JGF fray, but I'm disappointed.

Thread drift is certainly normal, but I was one of the few that rallied behind creating a topic section specifically about rhythm years and years ago. New members joined and I enjoyed seeing this new rhythm section take shape. If you look at the older threads that got moved into this rhythm section--thank you site admin for organizing everything--you will discover THOUGHT PROVOKING discussions about rhythm. Drummers, guitarists, and the like sharing hidden truths about the world of rhythm. Some participants on this very thread were part of those older discussions.

I'd rather not get back into my old habits of posting obsessively on the forum. That said, rhythm has become a crucial element in my own practice. I've advocated throughout Youtube about rhythm. Music education has marginalized and ignored rhythm for too long. There are some glimpses of a paradigm shift.

My credo work-in-progress is as follows:

Scales, technique, and harmony are the raw material. Rhythm is the synthesis and transformation of raw material into music. I'm not saying that you throw the baby out with the bathwater and ignore the raw material altogether. Rather, if we ONLY practice the raw material and never give rhythm the same attention--we are never practicing music. We play what we practice.

That's all I wanted to contribute. I am happy to have individual conversations and catch up via PM. Arguments--no matter how ridiculous--can still surface new learning. Thread drift can silence an entire conversation into obscurity--especially when they dominate the entire topic. There's other places to discuss astronomy, astrophysics, and how Michio Kaku is an asshole here on JGF. If there's no more to say in a particular rhythm thread, look at past threads for inspiration. We finally have a rhythm section at JGF, how about we make the best of it instead of letting the section fade into obscurity with random discussion?

[Christian Miller]

Tbf this was already a troll thread


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[AllanAllen]

Tbf this was already a troll thread


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You're a troll thread!

[Christian Miller]

You're a troll thread!

No u


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[lammie200]

Fun fact: I shared these classes with the guitarist from Coldplay

I am glad you took your playing in a different direction.

[Christian Miller]

I am glad you took your playing in a different direction.

My bank manager isn’t


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[AdroitMage]

I have a degree in astrophysics but it’s been about 25 years lol

I took electives in General Relativity and Cosmology so I have some basic knowledge of these subjects from the math side but I didn’t go up to a high level in these subjects.

Fun fact: I shared these classes with the guitarist from Coldplay

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I've been extremely busy this week and have not been on the forum since last time I posted until now. Not ignoring you. I think this is extraordinarily cool that you're actually an astrophysicist even though you're apparently working in a different profession. I find physics exremely interesting and frankly mind boggling at times, truly mind boggling. So in addition to being a jazz fan, player, and music enthusiast in general, you're also a learned man who can do high math and have an informed and intelligent conversation about astrophysics and Einstein's equations, and therefore probably have an intelligent and interesting comvo about a lot of things, including jazz guitar and music theory.

I completely disagree that because this is a jazz guitar forum that the ONLY thing we should talk about here is jazz guitar. Obviously, we talk about that A LOT here, but certainly we can and should get to know each other here as human beings as well, and that sometimes means, yes, talkinhg about things other than jazz guitar.

I really didn't want to jump back into the JGF fray, but I'm disappointed.

Thread drift is certainly normal, but I was one of the few that rallied behind creating a topic section specifically about rhythm years and years ago. New members joined and I enjoyed seeing this new rhythm section take shape. If you look at the older threads that got moved into this rhythm section--thank you site admin for organizing everything--you will discover THOUGHT PROVOKING discussions about rhythm. Drummers, guitarists, and the like sharing hidden truths about the world of rhythm. Some participants on this very thread were part of those older discussions.

I'd rather not get back into my old habits of posting obsessively on the forum. That said, rhythm has become a crucial element in my own practice. I've advocated throughout Youtube about rhythm. Music education has marginalized and ignored rhythm for too long. There are some glimpses of a paradigm shift.

My credo work-in-progress is as follows:

Scales, technique, and harmony are the raw material. Rhythm is the synthesis and transformation of raw material into music. I'm not saying that you throw the baby out with the bathwater and ignore the raw material altogether. Rather, if we ONLY practice the raw material and never give rhythm the same attention--we are never practicing music. We play what we practice.

That's all I wanted to contribute. I am happy to have individual conversations and catch up via PM. Arguments--no matter how ridiculous--can still surface new learning. Thread drift can silence an entire conversation into obscurity--especially when they dominate the entire topic. There's other places to discuss astronomy, astrophysics, and how Michio Kaku is an asshole here on JGF. If there's no more to say in a particular rhythm thread, look at past threads for inspiration. We finally have a rhythm section at JGF, how about we make the best of it instead of letting the section fade into obscurity with random discussion?

Those are actually some quite interesting comments about rhythm in musci and in one's improv. I agree, you should "speak" with all of the tools the language provides, and that good rhythm in your phraising is of tantamount impiortance. Also, in my book, lyricism is HUGE.

As far as the subject matter of the thread 'wandering' into other toopics. I'm completely okay with that, and remember, I started this thread, and i'm okay with it wandering into astrophysics.

And let me repeat this: Yes, I'm totally in favor of us chatting about things other than only jazz guitar. I'm in favor of us also taking the time to get to know each other as human beings, because when you do that, you never know the interestingt and enlightening things you might discover.

I am glad you took your playing in a different direction.

Coldplay has sold over 100 million records, that ain't too shabby. Okay, you've got to share with us how you met jonny Buckland the lead guitarist of Coldplay. Now there's something interesting to talk about that is not jazz guitar

My bank manager isn’t


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[Mick-7]

An interesting article related to the subject of this thread:
The Extraordinary Ways Rhythm Shapes Our Lives | The MIT Press Reader

[AdroitMage]

That's mighty arrogant.

Maybe one day you'll figure out the red circle is the record button, and put up something worth all this attitude.

One thing you better understand about me is, yes I am confident, extremely confident, AND I don't give a f%#$ if you mistake my confidence for arrogance.

Here are some quotes on believing in oneself from a very famous guy with the first name Arnold. These quotes sum up my mindset pretty well. Again, I don't care one goddamn bit if you mistake my confidence for arrogance. Confidence is believing in yourself, arrogance goes one step further and fools you into thinking that you're "better" than others. Here are the quotes:

"If you don't believe in yourself, then how will anyone else believe in you?"

"If I had listened to the naysayers, I would still be in the Austrian Alps yodeling,"

according to James Whittaker, he says, emphasizing the power of self-belief to overcome negativity and achieve success beyond perceived limitations.
"Trust yourself, no matter what anyone else thinks."
This quote underscores the importance of internal validation and resilience against external criticism.

"Believe in yourself and your vision, and success will come."

"If you want to turn a vision into reality, you have to give 100% and never stop believing in your dream."

There it is. That's what Arnold believed we'll before he won his first Mr. Olympia and became a huge movie star. I, too, believe that kind of attitude is crucial.

You should watch the "Pumping Iron" movie. When Arnold walked on stage he exuded so much confidence that a lot of the other guys looked defeated the moment Arnold walked on stage and started flexing in their faces. Dude was just oozing confidence.

[Christian Miller]

I've been extremely busy this week and have not been on the forum since last time I posted until now. Not ignoring you. I think this is extraordinarily cool that you're actually an astrophysicist even though you're apparently working in a different profession. I find physics exremely interesting and frankly mind boggling at times, truly mind boggling. So in addition to being a jazz fan, player, and music enthusiast in general, you're also a learned man who can do high math and have an informed and intelligent conversation about astrophysics and Einstein's equations, and therefore probably have an intelligent and interesting comvo about a lot of things, including jazz guitar and music theory.

I completely disagree that because this is a jazz guitar forum that the ONLY thing we should talk about here is jazz guitar. Obviously, we talk about that A LOT here, but certainly we can and should get to know each other here as human beings as well, and that sometimes means, yes, talkinhg about things other than jazz guitar.




Those are actually some quite interesting comments about rhythm in musci and in one's improv. I agree, you should "speak" with all of the tools the language provides, and that good rhythm in your phraising is of tantamount impiortance. Also, in my book, lyricism is HUGE.

As far as the subject matter of the thread 'wandering' into other toopics. I'm completely okay with that, and remember, I started this thread, and i'm okay with it wandering into astrophysics.

And let me repeat this: Yes, I'm totally in favor of us chatting about things other than only jazz guitar. I'm in favor of us also taking the time to get to know each other as human beings, because when you do that, you never know the interestingt and enlightening things you might discover.




Coldplay has sold over 100 million records, that ain't too shabby. Okay, you've got to share with us how you met jonny Buckland the lead guitarist of Coldplay. Now there's something interesting to talk about that is not jazz guitar

I didn’t chat to Jonny, I only found this out afterwards lol. I knew Chris a little bit. Chill guy. In fact Coldplay formed in my first year halls of residence. They used to jam on the stairs.

If I’m to be honest I find their music a bit bland.

But when I have to teach their stuff there’s quite a bit of subtlety to the way the guitar parts are built up.

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[Reg]

I gotta say....keeping time when performing jazz live, just isn't that easy. Most pros are pretty good at staying in time, but creating the different feels of time while performing gets lost by many.

Most amateurs are time followers, more in the moment etc... Better at having the music memorized as compared to sight reading or using their ears to performing unrehearsed music live.

[Strat-itis]

Do you guys like how Adroit Mage left as soon as I figured out he was Bop Head? Lol

Easy to spot:

1. Tries to assert dominance by dialogue alone, will never post up.
2. Grandiose
3. Has some knowledge but ultimately kooky.
4. Flitty

[AllanAllen]

Do you guys like how Adroit Mage left as soon as I figured out he was Bop Head? Lol

Easy to spot:

1. Tries to assert dominance by dialogue alone, will never post up.
2. Grandiose
3. Has some knowledge but ultimately kooky.
4. Flitty

Wait… I thought you were bop head?

[Strat-itis]

Bahaha