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Must be part of my quantum nature than that the rest of me isn't aware of because in a completely different place.
Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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12-04-2023 09:23 AM
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What's quite extraordinary about Jocelyn Gould is that she was basically a bedroom singer until she was 20. She never left home with her guitar to perform or play with others and she used the guitar mainly as an accompaniment to her voice (based on what I understand from the interview). She decided to learn jazz guitar and by the the she was 25 she was the head of the guitar department in one of the best jazz programs in Canada. Obviously some of the credit should go to her teacher, Randy Napoleon, but she must have been an exceptional student.
I wish there were more females in the jazz guitar world because they tend have a more authentic and pure connection to music. Getting good at an instrument (especially guitar) triggers competitiveness in men. There is always this "look at me, look at me" element that's very distracting from music. Females tend to go right to what matters.
As Christian said, Jocelyn's language seems to consists of traditional and common elements in jazz (in terms of voicings, devices, licks etc) but she uses them with great taste, skill and groove. That takes a lot of confidence in one's innate musicianship.Last edited by Tal_175; 12-04-2023 at 04:21 PM.
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I thought they were very gracious and complimentary (not defensive at all). They meant to be complimenting her intellect with the praise of her theory knowledge (whereas I think many jazz musicians wouldn't take that as much of a compliment as theory is a very small thing as far as all the hours spent learning jazz goes). Originally Posted by Oscar67
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I’ve been a big fan of Jocelyn’s music and her evolution as a player for a while now. She … just … has … it.
I liked the video interview a lot, but jeez, those guys were acting like silly little smitten schoolboys. I doubt they would have carried that vibe had it been an older well-known jazz player, male or female. But my god, the humble, effusive joy she projects about her music and evolution is just stunning and infectious, and I can see how it could do that to anyone who’s around her. She’s got the thing.
BTW, her recent album “Sonic Bouquet” really kicks it.
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Have you seen the first one with Joey Landreth? The guy on the right was wiping away tears. They have had that vibe with others. In Originally Posted by northernbreed
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When she mentioned studying chemistry I was reminded of the young Jimmy Page playing on a variety show and telling the host he planned to study biological research... @2:30 Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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Tbf the boys had exactly the same vibe with Graham Coxon, Johnny Marr and Noel Gallagher (although they didn’t ask them about theory haha.) I’ve decided it’s cute.
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It was a joy to watch. I only wish I had not read the sour comments on this thread.
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As a "jazz guitarist" and part of the team that built Australia's first working field ion microscope I don't know whether to feel bullied or not! Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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well, in a way he did.... Originally Posted by pauln
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I still struggle a bit keeping the form in tunes like So What and Impressions... Originally Posted by Christian Miller
I'll get by with a little help from my friend Larry...
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I just watched the episode. I've seen a decent amount of That Pedal Show, so I've seen their personalities. Dan (the one in the middle) definitely struck me giddy and overjoyed at her presence, as he's desired to want to learn jazz for a while now. I didn't take it as rude or condescending.
My first takeaway was that Jocelyn is an excellent player. And I was amazed at how far she came in such a short amount of time. Truly impressed.
Another thing that jumped out at me, though, was that her explanations of music theory did seem to get somewhat advanced pretty quickly and I could see how a novice would be lost. I understand that this video format is not a lesson per se, but for an audience that's not familiar with ii V I progressions, it was a lot for those guys to take in. If one is attempting to go from the most basic I IV V 12-bar blues to jazz, maybe a good stepping stone would be talking about chord tones and looking at T-Bone Walker's use of 9th and 13th chords and his jazzier chord substitutions. But she's absolutely right the way to unlock the door to jazz is to find the artists that you can relate to. Also coming from a blues background before jazz, I didn't "get" Bird and Monk initially until I heard Kenny Burrell and Jimmy Smith first.
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I'm a frequent watcher of TPS. Mick and Dan are pretty much what you see there except there's usually waaaaay more gear talk about stacking reverbs, delay, chorus, and 9 overdrives through a dual wet/dry rig. Don't ask me what all that means, I'm a bigger fan of plugging in and turning knobs until it sounds like I want. That said, I was very relieved that the discussion was on the music and art. I especially enjoyed the way she described her practice and how she obsessed (my word, not hers) over a simple C scale. I really enjoy seeing how seriously a master of their craft takes the little things (that the rest of us probably speed through). It really highlighted the difference between a jazz virtuoso, and say....me.
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I found the whole thing a bit weird.
These two middle aged men oohing and ahing over what is expected
of pro level jazz players like the ebullient Ms Gould - taking great pains
over the details of producing her ideal beautiful sound and they wringing their
hands [metaphorically] because they're "not worthy".
What I found so jarring that they were surrounded by this shrine to 'TONE'
that wouldn't have helped them one bit if they attempted to achieve what their guest
so obviously has. HER tone!
Still, I do credit them with seeing [hearing] the irony ...but they'll be back to their pedal boards
next show playing the same things they always play but the pedals in different order etc.
Also, to look on the bright side of life, they are giving a platform to players of different styles, jazz even!
And this is to be celebrated!
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Her album Elegant Traveller is very nice. She has great tone, woody and rich.
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What any physicist / musician knows: The universe is a tough room to work! Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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My personal favourite: chemistry is just an applied subset of physics. But never to bully Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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It’s either physics or stamp collecting
things not to say to your biologist friends
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Nothing wrong with either and glad you left out chemistry Originally Posted by Christian Miller
But a flavour that's been known to make real physicists jealous!
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Jocelyn is just so good- for me she's one of the best out there right now at this clear, articulate straightahead style. It's fun to see someone who plays with such a traditional, unfussy jazz guitar rig showcased on one of these gear channels. The interview and this discussion make me want to learn a solo from her!
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tbh stamp collecting is underrated Originally Posted by RJVB
Nothing wrong with either and glad you left out chemistry
But a flavour that's been known to make real physicists jealous!
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Do you use "May I show you my stamp collection?" to pick up girls (or guys if you want) in English speaking countries as well? Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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No, it’s just “I’d love you to view my etchings” followed by “Have some Madeira my dear” (there really is nothing to fear …) Originally Posted by Bop Head
Flanders & Swann had a lot to answer for.
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What woman could possibly resist the combination of physics, stamp collecting and jazz guitar in one man? Originally Posted by Bop Head
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