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I am in this, as in all things, correct.
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08-16-2023 04:02 PM
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Well . . . NO . . . I was working in Jazz Clubs in Melbourne [Australia] from 1966 onward and really only listened to Benson at the urging of my rock 'n roll besotted wife who liked "White Rabbit"!
Originally Posted by sgcim
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Except when it is. Originally Posted by sgcim
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Originally Posted by sgcim
... but funk is not jazz.
Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
Yeah, gonna agree with you here. Good luck convincing the kids that Volfpeck isn't jazz.
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One side insight of this thread... I had not known how visceral some people's dislike of George Benson is. What I've always heard is "fabulous guitarist, great technique, great melodic sense, great time, can really play jazz, but usually chooses to play pop and I'm not a fan of that." This thread is the first time I've actually heard his technique and melodic sense dissed. Not saying that's wrong, just a little surprised. But hey, I'm the King of Lame-O so there are lots of things I don't know.
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why spend life complaining about "lame" players? Just listen to and enjoy the players you like. People said Bird and Trane had no soul. Louis Armstrong said that Bird played "chinese" music and Phil Woods complained about Coltrane.
What's the point? Just enjoy what you like - I don't see the point of negativity when there is so much good stuff out there...
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Oh is that what they think it is? Haha. OK Originally Posted by AllanAllen
I suppose I don’t mind so long as the broad church also contains Louis, Ellington, Bird, Trane all that stuff as well. I do love that music and I do kind of think it’s jazz.
tbh I think ‘jazz’ is fast becoming a synonym for ‘music music students listen to’ and no one else)
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Well then what there be to argue about on the internet? Originally Posted by jzucker
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Yes - That was a bit much. I never had the opportunity to hang with Wes, but have spent some time with George. He is such a gentleman; never a disparaging remark about any of his peers. He joked about “cutting” contest with Grant, but never a comment about being better than anyone. Originally Posted by wintermoon
……… Benson is a great guitar player but couldn't carry Wes guitar case. well, maybe that's a bit much.
I think
AKA
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Theory Originally Posted by pamosmusic
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That is one of the few certainties in the universe that we have. Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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the universe occasionally misbehaves by being incorrect, of course Originally Posted by sgcim
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We're only comparing him with Wes, and giving our opinions. I don't know why everyone's got to get upset about it. Originally Posted by lawson-stone
Every jazz guitarist I know of has either made a tribute album to or written a song for Wes.
Kenny Burrell
Jimmy Raney
Tal Farlow
Jimmy Ponder
George Benson
Pat Metheny
Herb Ellis
Cal Collins
Royce Campbell
Emily Remler
Pat Martino-Two Tribute Albums!
Lee Ritenour
Jim Hall
Joe Pass
Etc...
As I've said before, the two certainties we have in the universe are that Wes was jazz guitar's best improviser, and that Christian Miller is always right. Live with it.
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Now you're taking away one of the two certainties we have in the universe. Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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George is a great person, and a great guitarist. All I'm saying is that IMHO he was not a better jazz improviser than Wes Montgomery. Period. Originally Posted by AKA
If you read his autobiography, Benson did say that Charlie Parker KILLED jazz. But George did say that he brought jazz back to life, so we should thank him for that.
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lol!!!!!!!!! Originally Posted by pamosmusic
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Originally Posted by sgcim
George is a great person, and a great guitarist. All I'm saying is that IMHO he was not a better jazz improviser than Wes Montgomery. Period.
If you read his autobiography, Benson did say that Charlie Parker KILLED jazz. But George did say that he brought jazz back to life, so we should thank him for that.
The same one where he talks about how Charlie Parker with strings was the best album he'd ever heard and how he always went back to Charlie Parker with strings for inspiration? I don't remember him having anything bad to say about Charlie Parker in that one.
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I think it’s because someone said Benson was a better guitar player than Wes. Which he may well be. I merely asked why. Originally Posted by lawson-stone
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Maybe you should read the book to the very end, because it ends with one of his fans coming up to him and saying Charlie Parker killed jazz, and he agrees with him, but he assures us that he has taken the harmonies from the bop era and created something new with it that has given jazz a new life. Originally Posted by AllanAllen
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Bird did kill jazz, everyone wished they could kill it like him!
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I’m not sure that’s quite what Benson meant. Here’s what he said in the book: Originally Posted by sgcim
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He probably killed dancing, not jazz.
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Amen to that. I guess we do have to make judgments when we're thinking who we'll spend our money on or who will spend time trying to learn from, but still, I agree with you 100%. Originally Posted by jzucker
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I wasn't "upset" about it, just surprised. I've never heard a full-on critique of Benson that reduced him to pentatonics and blues licks. Not upset at all just mildly surprised. Originally Posted by sgcim
We're only comparing him with Wes, and giving our opinions. I don't know why everyone's got to get upset about it.
Every jazz guitarist I know of has either made a tribute album to or written a song for Wes.
Kenny Burrell
Jimmy Raney
Tal Farlow
Jimmy Ponder
George Benson
Pat Metheny
Herb Ellis
Cal Collins
Royce Campbell
Emily Remler
Pat Martino-Two Tribute Albums!
Lee Ritenour
Jim Hall
Joe Pass
Etc...
As I've said before, the two certainties we have in the universe are that Wes was jazz guitar's best improviser, and that Christian Miller is always right. Live with it.
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Gibson tuning keys are crap Originally Posted by pamosmusic
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