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The problem is that this is such a large number of recordings that there is no time to listen to it all.
Originally Posted by Peter C
Nothing wrong with being old (I should know). The problem as I saw it in my OP - having your ears glued in a particular period of music - is that you are going to lose out on a lot of potentially interesting developments in jazz and there's a lot of great music being composed and played in the 21st century. It's not just young technically proficient (to the extreme) players blazing up and down the neck. I mentioned above the perills of binary thinking.
Wes is great
I have to listen to a lot of music - good music...but I have also to practise a lot on guitar.
Last edited by kris; 12-27-2021 at 08:53 AM.
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12-27-2021 04:08 AM
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Sounds awful (well, it did before Kris edited his post).
Last edited by Litterick; 12-28-2021 at 12:28 AM.
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I've noticed that you're in the habit of posting something impulsively, then editing it, so this is going to be the last exchange on this matter. Originally Posted by kris
The problem is that this is such a large number of recordings that there is no time to listen to it all.
I have to listen to a lot of music - good music...but I have also to practise a lot on guitar.
In what you wrote you were projecting what you wrongly imagined to be the premise of this thread, ie, an attempt to impose a given criterion on others: all the names you cited are boppers (yeah, Sco goes beynd bop), so what about Duke, Jelly Roll Morton, Louis, Eddie Lang .... also 100% jazz (apart from all the other more recent names mentioned here).
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+1 Originally Posted by Peter C
You're right.
You're trying to be nice - I appreciate it.
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I'll tell the truth: Originally Posted by Peter C
I've been listening to a lot of classical music lately and it's not jazz.
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Wish my favorite Boomer, Rick would breakdown the compositions and playing of some of these newer jazz-influenced players.
Slipnot never held much interest to me, but his take on it helps me appreciate them much more, as well as all the other folks that he covers.
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Favorite newer player to throw into the mix.
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Apologies for multiple posts, but this just popped up on my YouTube feed. I just had to share it. I'll go find a life now lol
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no views in it much. He’s focussing on the stuff that a lot of people are interested in. Originally Posted by srlank01
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We saw this lame presentation over a year ago. The whole premise is absurd. Originally Posted by srlank01
Is everything white also white supremacy?
Why not do something productive?
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Same old same old here. Y'all are such elitist haters lol. The point is that I have not been able to listen this band much/enjoy much, but someone taking the time to break it down is helpful.
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Lame presentation? He introduced me to to a lot of music and ideas that I have not heard. People talk about players like Nir Felder and Julian Lage. I betcha a dollar that they listen to a lot of world music....new and old....not necessarily "complex," but new to the ears
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So because he has a "Boomer" voice and includes ideas you may find not well thought out, let's throw away the whole thing?
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And so us Gen X’ers are written out of history haha Originally Posted by Lobomov
I’m not a huge fan of the way Rick analyses music; basically everything is analysed from the chord, ‘oh here Kurt uses a ninth, it’s incredibly good melody writing.’ (So the reason why a melody is good is because of the harmony it makes over a chord progression? OK dude.)
it’s all akin to what people used to call ‘music appreciation’ which is nothing to do with how to create music and everything to do with finding reasons why a specific canon of stuff is good.
The logic of ‘music appreciation’ proceeds from the forgone conclusion that the stuff (usually a specific genre or era) that you like is good, and select criteria for quality that are notable characteristics of the stuff that you think is good, and then evaluate music based on those criteria finding that the stuff you already know you like is good and other stuff that isn’t like it is BAD.
The logic is completely circular.
It is also for anyone wishing to actually make music a more or less perfect waste of time.
The fact that I like those things too is neither here nor there; it’s probably a generational thing.
(Reminds me a bit of this German guy, you know the all Beethoven is three blind mice guy; will come to me in a minute.)
Anyway Rick is I think, a benign presence, and I don’t take any of this stuff too seriously. it’s comfort viewing on the whole. His interviews are good or excellent on the whole.
Adam Neely is much more interesting; and he does research. He has a much more complete understanding of what music theory is and what it does, and just knows more about it generally. I often catch Beato making mistakes in areas I am very familiar with, while Neely’s videos are generally very well researched and a few times I’ve actually been really impressed when he hasn’t made a common error in a specialist subject that I happen to know a bit about; I may not agree with everything he says but it is generally credible and he doesn’t make lazy mistakes like a lot of YouTubers. It’s great he’s done so well.
It was fun watching him go down the Machaut rabbit hole.Last edited by Christian Miller; 12-27-2021 at 04:57 PM.
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Race obsession in every facet of life is what we boomers worked hard to overcome. "Color blindness" was considered an aspirational goal. Now? There is nothing but race based division in everything large and small, forever. Originally Posted by srlank01
But two can play this game. Let's see:
Jazz is a mixture, or fusion, of European and African American music. So:
- if one studies jazz theory and harmony are they only half-racist?
- since jazz was born in New Orleans brothels, are jazz fans supportive of human trafficking?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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Hearing him in his boomer voice define the current top 10 as bad cause the songs have too few chords .. shuddersQUOTE=Lobomov;1168298]who said anything about throwing it all away?
This pretty much sounded like a toss to me, however thanks fo clarifying.
Regarding the material and his agenda....never really found it that important. Just like he panders to boomers, others have their target audience as well. And as far as those learning theory and being smug about it....there's some high flyers on here with constant such convoluted rants. Little critics seem on this.
but Rick Beato of today is a very different beast than when he first came out … I still like his interviews, but the rest is mostly pandering to his “boomer” audience .. and “boomer” also includes people that have learned a wee bit of music theory and feel smug about it.
Regarding hearing a suspension in 90s rock for the first listens. Yeah, it was really cool. So what? I remember hearing hybrid picking jazz for the first time combined with legato. It seemed to open up so many possibilities. Yet it was an old tired idea to many. Again, so what???
… and here Kurt Cobain plays the 4th … a suspension … now that is great song writing![/QUOTE]
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Okay, I see the trigger here and totally get it. And you are right......boomers and some of the previous generation were some of the strongest advocates. for equal racial/gender/religious, etc. opportunity.
I wasn't however looking carefully at the title....which was a mistake considering what it was. So you got me there. I was listening to his discussion of college theory being so limited and also some of the music examples. Especially dug the Indian stuff and and the associated YouTube educator associated with it. And really that's the meat for me, as I'm addressing newer music.
i didn't check out your link yet, so can't yet comment.
Originally Posted by Donplaysguitar
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One thing I always wondered, is why new players are "allowed" to play old tunes without getting clowned and stigmatized.
OTOH.....It's an old tune, but fairly new to me. Yes. I know it's not a guitar, but I've been doubling (no pun intended) on this beast for the past 15 months. It's also "new" to me.
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Beato talking about Slipknot? WTF.
Anyway, here it is
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Well I guess this thread answers the OP, at least partially. If a post comes in from outside of the inner circle or it's Jazz police demands, it's dismissed completely, met with unnecessary outright anger and/or passive aggressive likes to sarcastic, angry, elitist responses. That's possibly why it has the same posters recycling the same stuff from their high mountain tops.
But you know, it is what it is.
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Regarding all the hate on Beato. Guess he's good enough for Metheny, but not y'all on the JGF.
That Gilad recording is bliss however
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So about riffing HM guitar: it destroyed prog rock and Beato goes on his channel with this stuff to get more views. He has a family to keep, no hate.
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This all could be true. My main point in that post is that I wish that there were posters like Beato or Adam who who would break down players like Gilad, etc. And especially composition wise. It's much easier to digest some of his playing over standards. I especially like this post where Gilad himself breaks down some of his ideas over a particular tune. It's probably been posted before, but here it is anyway. Originally Posted by Peter C
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Sadly, I guess the description of being a guy who likes older 20th-Century Jazz fits me.
Since I started listening to older Jazz recordings in around 2007, graduating from Smooth Jazz, I connected with Pat Martino's early stuff, Wes Montgomery, Grant Greene, Max Roach, Wayne Shorter.
I listen to a song, and then I either like it or I don't - but I don't insult it and say it sucks, because it probably has some deep comfort and meaning for someone else.
Also, like kris, I don't have time to listen to everything that is out there. So at least in my case, when I get through listening to my favorites, there is not much time for someone else or something different - and that includes the Blues, different kinds of Rock/Pop/Heavy Metal. I like what I like, but I can see how an artists always needs to evolve and try new things since they can get overexposed to a certain genre quickly.
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