Non Jazz Guitar Players who use a lot of Jazz Chords?

**bobsguitars09** · 09-07-2009, 08:27 PM

Are there any bands/guitar players who use a lot of Jazz Chords
but do not play in a jazz "style"? Rock/Pop ect ect?

**mr. beaumont** · 09-07-2009, 08:43 PM

bobby weir of the dead was probably the most underrated rhythm guitarist of all ime--he knew his inversions.

i'd also reccomend steely dan. lotsa great chords.

**BigDaddyLoveHandles** · 09-07-2009, 10:30 PM

Jobim?

**Metal Fingers** · 09-08-2009, 12:11 AM

joni mitchell
bruce cockburn to name a couple...canucks

**JArent** · 09-08-2009, 02:15 AM

Stevie Ray Vauaghan
Allman Brothers Band
Steely Dan

**randalljazz** · 09-08-2009, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by BigDaddyLoveHandles

Jobim?

jobim not jazz? really?

**BigDaddyLoveHandles** · 09-08-2009, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by randalljazz

jobim not jazz? really?

Well, I used a question mark. Bossa Nova, you know.

**randalljazz** · 09-08-2009, 01:51 PM

ya, it's cool. the lines are blurry, and we all see it a little differently.

**janepaints** · 09-08-2009, 06:14 PM

Andy Summers
Tom Verlaine
Leon Redbone

**derek** · 09-10-2009, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by janepaints

Andy Summers
Tom Verlaine
Leon Redbone

Tough to call Andy Summers a non jazz guy. He calls himself a jazz guy stuck in a rock band. He has more discs that could be called jazz than rock stuff. His recording of Monk tunes (Green Chimneys) is one of my favs. Certainly not a traditional type jazz or rock guy.

Jazzarian · 09-14-2009, 01:10 AM

Originally Posted by derek

Tough to call Andy Summers a non jazz guy. He calls himself a jazz guy stuck in a rock band. He has more discs that could be called jazz than rock stuff. His recording of Monk tunes (Green Chimneys) is one of my favs. Certainly not a traditional type jazz or rock guy.

What's a "jazz chord" anyway? 4 notes or more?

The Allman Brothers used major and minor 7ths, as did Santana and Clapton. Hendrix had his 7#9 chord ad nasuem. I'm sure even the Grateful Dead used a few Major7ths.

Does Robben Ford count as a "non-jazz" player?

**derek** · 09-14-2009, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by Jazzarian

What's a "jazz chord" anyway? 4 notes or more?

The Allman Brothers used major and minor 7ths, as did Santana and Clapton. Hendrix had his 7#9 chord ad nasuem. I'm sure even the Grateful Dead used a few Major7ths.

Does Robben Ford count as a "non-jazz" player?

Not sure who said, "Jazz lives above the 7th.", but that seems right. Robben Ford did time with Miles, so I can't imagine calling him a nonjazz guy. Sometimes such labels work and sometimes they don't.

Trey Anastasio of Phish is a guy who was very obviously trained in jazz, but is doing the jam band thing. Jimmy Herring is another in this genre.

**Funkwire** · 09-14-2009, 10:41 AM

Brian Setzer. He took lessons from from a jazz player when he was a teenager, and it shows.

George Harrison--he liked to use a lot of diminished chords...he called them 'nasty' chords!

Jazzarian · 09-14-2009, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by derek

Not sure who said, "Jazz lives above the 7th.", but that seems right. Robben Ford did time with Miles, so I can't imagine calling him a nonjazz guy. Sometimes such labels work and sometimes they don't.

Trey Anastasio of Phish is a guy who was very obviously trained in jazz, but is doing the jam band thing. Jimmy Herring is another in this genre.

Herring is a Berklee grad.

**voelker** · 09-15-2009, 01:11 AM

Paul simon has had some really good guitarist play with him in recent years. Vincent Nguini from cammeroon is the only one i know off hand though.

**Joe Dalton** · 09-15-2009, 05:42 AM

Robben Ford isn't a jazz guitarist, even if he does have some experience there.
But it really depends on what you define as a jazz chord, personally I dont believe such a thing exists.

**derek** · 09-15-2009, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by Joe Dalton

Robben Ford isn't a jazz guitarist, even if he does have some experience there.
But it really depends on what you define as a jazz chord, personally I dont believe such a thing exists.

So inspite of the of the work he did with Miles and the Yellowjackets you don't think he is a jazz guy? I know he choses the blues, but Robben is one guy whom I believe can walk in both worlds and be authentic. Interesting take.

Jazzarian · 09-15-2009, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by derek

So inspite of the of the work he did with Miles and the Yellowjackets you don't think he is a jazz guy? I know he choses the blues, but Robben is one guy whom I believe can walk in both worlds and be authentic. Interesting take.

Indeed.

Now if we could get him to break out his Super400 now and then.

His "unplugged" "Authorized Bootleg" CD recorded at Yoshi's is about as jazzy as I've heard from him play.

**whiskywheels** · 09-15-2009, 01:47 PM

Jeff Beck!

**derek** · 09-15-2009, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by whiskywheels

Jeff Beck!

Good call.

**Regi** · 09-15-2009, 03:04 PM

I think chords are simply chords...and it would be a misplaced sentiment for any musical 'faith' to claim possession of any. In my own songwriting, (unpublished), l found certain chords: maj7, m7, aug, dim etc. perfect and appropriate to the nature of the lyric, yet thestyle in these is a long way from jazz. Mind you, there is one that has a diminished run up the bass in the chorus, and in writing this and since l understand a bit more than l did about jazz (thanks to all on this site), l just had the idea of jazzin up the solo on it...coz l can! Wow! I'll shut up now. Sorry for rambin!

Jazzarian · 09-15-2009, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by derek

Good call.

Actually it was probably the late Max Middleton who brought the jazz chords to the Jeff Beck Group (e.g. "Jodie"from 1970, really nice Rhodes work from Max).

I saw Beck open for Santana in the mid 1990s, twice. He was terrible. Not the fusion-Beck I once knew.

**whiskywheels** · 09-15-2009, 04:18 PM

A joke; Q; What's the difference between rock and jazz?
A; Rock consists of the same 3 chords listened to by thousands of people, whereas jazz consists of................

Jazzarian · 09-15-2009, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by whiskywheels

A joke; Q; What's the difference between rock and jazz?
A; Rock consists of the same 3 chords listened to by thousands of people, whereas jazz consists of................

And the opinion of laymen en masse means what exactly to you?

You know how far "Hendrix was the greatest" talk will go around here?