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Originally Posted by fasstrack
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03-30-2017 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by fasstrack
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For me , no harm done here
He's got a nice touch huh ?
One of the most beautiful things I ever heard ...
Saw pat playing it live solo and it was
absolutely perfect too
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I think very much of wanton reharmonisation as 'dickhead harmony.'
Being a jazz dickhead can be a lot of fun sometimes, but it's important to know you are being a dickhead and be able to reign it in in the name of taste.
Anyway, I haven't listened to the Metheny cover yet. I'm sure it's lovely.
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This Guy sounds more like the
'Future of Jazz' to me..
You may hear a little Eric Johnson/ Holdsworth influence and a lot of Alto Sax influence...
So loosely ...Grasso would be Parker and this Guy would be Coltrane on the Guitar...Last edited by Robertkoa; 03-30-2017 at 12:38 PM.
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Originally Posted by trap
Most fields get very competitive and Music is extremely for $.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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Originally Posted by Robertkoa
No one is like Trane. I sometimes think Coltrane is the most misunderstood musician in the history of jazz. He had so much soul! And yet, people think of him as a technician. The guy who comes closest to the spirit of Trane might be someone like Jimi, perhaps sometimes Derek Trucks (who has studied his music) might get close. I'm sure there are jazz guitarists who have that soul in their playing, but we are kind of a technical bunch.
Furthermore I would say Kurt Rosenwinkel is the guitarist that comes to mind when I think of post-Coltrane tenor sax influenced guitar players. Kurt I think was a big influence on Jonathan.
Kurt can be a very intense performer live, gets some of that quality in his playing.Last edited by christianm77; 03-30-2017 at 01:00 PM.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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And Sonny Greenwich!
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Nelson Symonds is often considered to be out of the Coltrane bag. And supposedly Coltrane wanted to use him in his band.
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Originally Posted by NSJ
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Originally Posted by unknownguitarplayer
That was a hit or miss record, IMHO. When it was good, it was pretty damn good, like Amelia with Luciana Souza, River with Corrine Bailey Rae (a nice surprise, she's pretty cool), or Tea Leaf Prophecy with Joni herself (that track is OUTSTANDING)
Other cuts like the ones with Leonard Cohen and Tina Turner...just did not work for me.
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Originally Posted by mrcee
Anyway, I decided I sounded terrible (dropped a micro-beat on one tune, I remember) and asked Ben to delete it.
Long gone from Kentucky...
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Originally Posted by christianm77
You can send some of those vids (to a Lonely Hearts Club or something) with you mugging while playing. Shee-it, why waste it on US?
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Originally Posted by destinytot
I was THERE, baby! I still have an image of Havens with his thumb on the fretboard, singing
'Freedom for your daddy's daddy...'.
Hendrix had a different band there, BTW, with a 2nd guitar player he dubbed 'Mastermind'.
What didn't make it to the film (sexist remark warning) was him picking out some young girl in the audience, pointing to her and averring:
'Hey, sweet young thing! A dirty old man's gonna lick your bicycle seat'...
He also picked out Dylan's grandmother in the crowd and said hello from the stage.
I really tripped (God, I'm DATING myself) over Canned Heat. They were the highlight for me...
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Originally Posted by pingu
What can I say? I love him when I love him...
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Originally Posted by christianm77
I agree that Jazz Guys are a technical bunch ...but not physically...but Musically very skilled.
Guys that can't even Travis Pick like Chet Atkins but can still play beautiful chord melodies...
I did listen to Minor Blues by Rosenwinkel- brilliant creative Tune and playing- and a fairly strong Groove- not much Benson-Hendrix or Swinging Aggressive Post Benson Fusion Swing....lol.
I prefer Mike Brecker to Coltrane because Brecker would often go to ' church'....where Coltrane seemed to avoid that ....in order to go further and further I suppose.....and maybe to transcend stereotypes.Last edited by Robertkoa; 03-30-2017 at 11:39 PM.
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Originally Posted by Robertkoa
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Originally Posted by fasstrack
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Originally Posted by Robertkoa
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Originally Posted by fasstrack
.Trane seems much harder to play on Guitar than Brecker..it's not the speed but the Complexity and the less obvious Melodic Cadences .
I think IF Trane had more 'Church' he would be easier to play on Guitar for many assuming the Chops are there...
And I have not heard Trane on simpler Changes except Coltrane Plays The Blues...he is fairly restrained on that Album- gotta listen again...definitely went to Church but seems like he was going for Perfection rather than Blowing on that one.I'm certainly not saying Trane could not just saying he seemed to be challenging himself ( there was no one else who could ) rather than going for the obvious kill ( lol).maybe ?And IF I heard Trane on simpler( harmonically ) changes as I have Brecker...could be the difference.
It would have been great to see Trane playing with Paul Schaffer like Brecker did and the look of fear on Schaffer's face if Trane Jammed with them had he lived longer .
What you call 'Church ' and I call 'Church' are possibly two different things.The key word in your Statement was you found some of Coltrane ' beautiful and EXHAUSTING' ...'Church ' part can be just as chops heavy , just as much Tension - but there is Release an uplifting effect ...NOT fatigueing...Trane was maybe staying way way up in the overtone series , lots of Tension..not much Release.A really really serious Guy...right ..?
I just happened to hear a Q and A with Jimmy Bruno and somebody asks him about' Giant Steps'...He mentioned a few things but what stood out to me was:'It's almost like a Test '.
So my point is : some Music aims for the Head , Some for the Heart , Some for the Pelvic Area ( especially if you are Writing or Producing for a Singer) and some Music aims for the Feet, some for Virtuoso Displays or Cutting Contests.
Edit: And also- as you said Coltrane was doing later- some Music aims toward Spiritual -Higher Mental States- God ...I left this important part out ..probably because I have never aimed this high- good Lesson for me.
Edit 2: Some Jazz Players are very physical and Musical and chops heavy...and we saw a lot of that in 70s and 80s on Guitar..now it seems like people are concentrating on doing more with it...which is hard because the early innovators took it so far..which is probably why Metheny and many are knocked out by Grasso.
You can have different Tunes for Different Effects on the Audience . some Players tend to stay in a few areas ...Someone who knew Trane might tell you ( I have no idea) that Trane may have looked down upon Dance Music and was searching for ' Higher Ground' as he saw , felt it through Meditation.
You will take longer to get ' there ' IF you use mind altering Drugs even Marijuana .
I am not talking about 'Giant Steps ' regarding the 'Church ' thing in Coltrane's Playing I am talking about other Tunes where he had time to do it and chose not to.
I wrote and sold some Jingles when I was young so I am not sensitive about my Views or my Playing or Music...lol....good training.
Church isn't exhausting - it's uplifting- has to do with the resolutions of the Lines I think- you can get really intense and chops heavy and interpolate other structures but it's easier for most to land on Tones that Trane did not ...probably.. I'm not bringing back the 60's anyway.Last edited by Robertkoa; 04-03-2017 at 12:34 AM.
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Originally Posted by Robertkoa
As for Coltrane/brecker, well brecker might go to church, but I kind of feel trane was actually trying to talk to god. I feel very deeply about Tranes music. Brecker is merely the greatest saxophonist of his generation possibly
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Originally Posted by christianm77
ps - I even sometimes play slide on my 51' Super 300 it just sound "right" and very vocal.
WillLast edited by WillMbCdn5; 03-31-2017 at 08:41 PM.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
(The beauty part: if you get busted you blame ME---and she'll never catch me across the pond)...
naming chords?
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