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06-28-2009, 02:53 PM #26Jazzarian GuestOriginally Posted by PSUnderwood
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06-28-2009 02:53 PM
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It wasn't an analogy, but OK: Mark Tremonti is the best Mark Tremonti there is. Angus Young is the best Angus Young there is. Slash is the best Slash there is. None of this says "X is the greatest guitarist there is" or "Y is the greatest <insert genre here> guitarist there is". My point is that each guitarist plays whatever he plays as well as he can play it (bit of an assumption there, perhaps), regardless of anyone else's taste. Shredders are great at playing dorian scales/minor pentatonics in sixteenths at 450 bpm, and they'll do it whether I like it or not, whether I consider it musical or not. By and large, calling anyone "the greatest <insert skill here>" is equivalent to saying "X is the <insert skill here> I like best", and that's something I can't argue with. It says nothing about technical mastery, expressiveness, or anything else but the emotional response of one individual to another. Some consider Segovia a great guitarist. He couldn't have been great, he couldn't cover Eddie Van Halen's 'Eruption'. Eddie Van Halen could never be great; he can't blow over Coltrane changes. Sure, Wes Montgomery could play jazz, but could he stand up to Joe Satriani? Jazz guys will answer one way, rock guys another. Comparing players within a genre is just the same, within a smaller pool. Django Reinhardt was no Ben Monder, or vice-versa.
Love the music you love. Share it with others. For what it's worth, I like a lot of what I've heard from a lot of different guitarists, and I like them for different reasons at different times. "Greatest" doesn't enter into it for me. Except for my own playing, where "greatness" is an ideal I'll never achieve.
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06-28-2009, 04:11 PM #28Jazzarian Guest
" Sure, Wes Montgomery could play jazz, but could he stand up to Joe Satriani?"
Wes Montgomery would have made him look like an idiot.
Sorry but tapping fools like Vai and Satriani aren't in the same league with jazz guitarists.
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Originally Posted by Jazzarian
Sorry jazzarian, but this "music" is closer to Jimi than Wes and it is NOT jazz but just six string masturbation. A great song like Take Five deserves better than a shabby ersatz Hendrix treatment like this.
Oh dear... I've done it now ...
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Originally Posted by Sordello
Now, I DO hope you are just being tongue-in-cheek here. It is NOT jazz? Masturbation? Sounds more like Jimi Hendrix? Take your meds and call it a day, already. I don't agree with everything Jazzarian says, but.......
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"Sorry, don't think Johnny Smith quite had all of Benson's chops, as seen in the video."
When it comes to chops, Johnny Smith wrote the book - there are few who can match the speed and cleanliness of Smith's technique, and GB is not one of them.
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06-29-2009, 12:41 PM #32Jazzarian GuestOriginally Posted by Krish
That is comical and worth revisiting. I guess one's own voice can be replaced with a Flanger.
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Originally Posted by franco6719
Having said that though, I DID turn the video off after 4 minutes and I DID think it was an atrocious performance of a great jazz tune. Sorry all, but speed-of-light scale improvisations (aka "jazz shredding") just doesn't turn my crank.
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Originally Posted by Jazzarian
But y'know, each to their own.
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don't understand the Benson bashing relating to the video, "too many notes" - "too flashy" - "masturbation" - .... oh well, I suppose people said that about Tatum, Bird and Trane. Surely there's bad "flashy" and good "flashy"?
Benson just has to be seen as the latter. Sure he has "lines", but so does Herbie Hancock. Anyway, this is a Jazz forum, arguing who's the best whatever, that belongs on Metal forums with excitable (and impressionable) adolescents ....
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06-30-2009, 12:40 PM #36Jazzarian GuestOriginally Posted by princeplanet
Brownie better than Hubbard? (both would kick Miles' ass btw).
Of course, the concept of being a "great" is open for debate. I certainly wouldn't associate the term with John Scofield, but that's just me
Russell Malone, Pat Metheny, Jimmy Bruno, Paul Bollenback etc etc are just allowed to say George Benson is the best, presently (Wes being the all time fav). Most mortals can't say such a thing
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