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Originally Posted by djangoles
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07-21-2014 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by fritz jones
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Originally Posted by cosmic gumbo
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Originally Posted by djangoles
but he DID embrace foolishness, as he exerted himself with a woman and some weed while still IN the hospital recovering from TB. But then I have done some foolish things as well, and not all in my youth.
we are way the heck off topic by now of course. Nothing like a Johnny Mac thread to get people going. As it should be I suppose..
one thing about big John. There is NO quit in that guy. When others would put the axe down after a few hours practice he would go thrice more. As Joey D. said "Go John!".
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Originally Posted by djangoles
Many people argued that if only education were offered to everyone, then most people would prefer the works of Aristotle, Homer, Shakespeare, Dante, Mozart, and Bach to transient popular works. They would relish learning for its own sake. And so on. There is a word for people who argued thus. That word is "wrong."
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Thank you for the heads up on the video. I am a big fan of John and listened incessantly to the original Mahavishnu when I was starting my musical journey. His enthusiasm for our music is as strong as ever, as is obvious in the interview. I hope there is a future for jazz music in the US, I also hope all this 'other stuff' goes the way of disco, etc.
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Originally Posted by Eric Rowland
>>>> Between 1969 and 1979 disco soundtracked gay liberation, foregrounded female desire in the age of feminism and led to the birth of modern club culture as we know it today, before taking the world by storm.<<<<
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Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
The fact is music and art will always get cut first when it comes to school programs....there is no debate in that. Then ask why?? As I said before, Does Football teach skills that are superior to music??
Whether the football team is listening to Metallica or something else to get amped up before a game is not really relevant
...and yes people do need encouragement sometimes to find out about other music. Even if it's in the form of mainstream entertainment.....The show Treme is good example of people being exposed to music that they may have never listened to in the past, but it is now being presented in a form that they can relate to on some level.
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Originally Posted by djangoles
Further, I think people should be discouraged from majoring in music. If you're going to go to college, learn how to think, to read, to write well. (<<<It's a safe bet you weren't taught that in high school.) (Sadly, it's a safe bet most won't learn that in college either.)
Music should be played for the love of it. No one is owed an audience.
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Originally Posted by fritz jones
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Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
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Originally Posted by richb2
Some have gone to music school and then fashioned nice careers too. I say God bless them all, each and every one. (Unfortunately, I think most who go to music school do not make much of a go of it, carry a lot of debt afterward, and remain uneducated beyond music. This seems to me a terrible situation.)
The goal of a life devoted to music should be playing music all one's life. If it is fame, big crowds, adulation, then one's goal was not a life devoted to music. There's nothing wrong with being poor and having time to play whatever one wants to.
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Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
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Very relevant article for current jazz and classical recording artists today
It?s not just David Byrne and Radiohead: Spotify, Pandora and how streaming music kills jazz and classical - Salon.com
NB-this excludes most local cats I know or have met, who are great players struggling to find a restaurant gig. The whole "recording industry" was irrelevant to most of them decades ago
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Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
On a side note I had a conversation with co-worker today during lunch and she said something very interesting.....
Basically growing up in a small town in Texas, she was always under the impression that going out to a "Fancy Italian Restaurant" was a nite at The Olive Garden. It wasn't till she moved away that she realized what a nice restaurant was.Last edited by djangoles; 07-21-2014 at 08:02 PM.
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As my education inspired a life-long passion for music and the arts I strongly disagree with your point of view.
The lessons learned as a professional musician continue to serve me in my non-musical career in IT.
That's the nature of education - there are direct and indirect benefits and applications of that knowledge.
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Originally Posted by rictroll
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Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
1. You needn't worry about it, it's their choice.
2. Debt comes with any major if you don't pay up front.
3. Some people major in religion, psychology, anthropology, history, philosophy, political science. All virtually worthless if one stops at undergrad.
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Originally Posted by rictroll
IT may be a well-paying field (-I have no idea) but as an academic subject, I think it a worse choice than music!
Granted, if one is thinking, "I want to study this so I can make a good living," fine, but that is to treat education as job training, which is fine if that is what one wants, but that is nothing like seeking to become an educated person.
I realize my views on this are unpopular ones. I'm okay with that.
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Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
Thanks for the "enlightment" Mark . I was under the impression that disco was nothing more than Donna Summer, a monotonous beat and the delinquency at Studio 54...I must have been deeply immersed in "Birds Of Fire" at the time.
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Originally Posted by fumblefingers
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Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
i don't know about unpopular, but your views are certainly not well informed regarding IT as a major.
you see, liberal arts, science, business, economic, and other courses are required to get an IT degree from a solid program.
PLUS there is a difference between education and training - even in engineering topics, you just don't know anything about it Mark.
but a hint can be found by perusing the courses offered at a community college vs. 4 year college/university and a master's degree program. please, stop while you're ahead.
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Originally Posted by Eric Rowland
i helped run a large disco in the heyday.
my estimation after all this time? garbage all the way around.
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Originally Posted by Eric Rowland
Don't get me wrong, Eric, I didn't like disco then and I don't like it now. But it was a big part of the lives of millions of people, influenced fashion, movies, advertising, and other music. This still doesn't make it matter to me. Music can be culturally significant and crappy; music can be good and culturally insignificant. (<<<Millions see / hear The Beatles that way.)
I'm not interested in the social significance of music. I'm interested in playing music.
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Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
notating 7/4 and 4/7 chords
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