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that's real cute and everything, but what is he saying in the end? what's the take away?
that we should play jazz, but just call it something else?
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08-09-2014 12:46 PM
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That's real condescending. Good writing does not have to culminate in one CONCLUSION, like the 5 paragraph essays you wrote in high school.
Take from it what you will.
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Originally Posted by Stevebol
Also, let's not blames to "Princes of fools" who might be seen as Timberlake and Jay Z. Let's look at "The Fools" who put them there at the top of this genre. That's the business side of it. The labels see the market for this nonsense and then they react to it. That's business.
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I'm not feeling the hate for Timberlake. The genre may not be my cup of tea, but, as pop artists go, he has a lot of talent.
I'm reminded of an interview I heard with Tom Jones about recording the theme for "Thunderball". He asked the composer to explain what the lyrics where about, and the composer said "Who cares. Just sing the hell out of it."
Timberlake can sing the hell out what he performs.Last edited by Jonzo; 08-09-2014 at 01:30 PM.
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I put up a poll in the "Announcements" forum about politics (-political threads / conversations).
Please let your voice be heard!
Politics Poll: Your Opinion Matters!
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Originally Posted by fep
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Originally Posted by Patrick2
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Originally Posted by Jonzo
so, his poem or manifesto or whatever it is, can't really be taken seriously. its too silly, unfocused, angry, and profane.
all of that might be less important if he were really calling for something constructive. seems like he's just complaining and swearing about his chosen art. too effing bad.
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You have proven yourself wrong, since many people care about what he wrote. Even you care enough to take time out of your busy, intelligent business life to comment.
Also, you fail to recognize that style must consider audience. In matters involving creativity, ambiguous, and even contradictory, expression can be very fruitful.
Finally, don't busy, intelligent business people use capitalization any more? Too busy to hit the shift key, I guess.Last edited by Jonzo; 08-09-2014 at 02:26 PM.
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Originally Posted by cosmic gumbo
Last edited by woland; 08-09-2014 at 02:18 PM.
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The items below are quotes from the rantings of this person you like so much. As far as I'm concerned they speak for themselves.
I'd never heard of him before this. My first and last impression is that he's nothing but a angry, racist, childish, boorish, illiterate, profane, posturing, bloviating fool. Is he trying to be the snoop dog of jazz with all his street cred trash talking or something? What a joke.
He says that if anyone likes to play straight ahead jazz that they are "f#cking the dead". And oh yeah, he's blaming all of his frustrations on the white man of course.
"but ain’t sh%t cool about Jazz as a whole.
Jazz ain’t sh%t.
Jazz is incestuous.
Jazz ain’t cool, it’s cold, like necrophilia.
Stop f#cking the dead and embrace the living.
Jazz is dead.
Too many necrophiliacs in Jazz - You’re making my case for me
Blacks have been conditioned for centuries to be grateful for whatever crumbs thrown to them.
Jazz is a lie.
America is a lie.
Jazz is a marketing ploy that serves an elite few.
The elite make all the money while they tell the true artists it’s cool to be broke.
Occupy Jazz!
Improvisation by its very nature can never be passé, but mindsets are invariably deadly.
Miles Davis personified cool and he hated Jazz.
Who thinks of what they’ll name the baby while they’re f#cking?
Not enough artists willing to soldier for their sh%t.Last edited by fumblefingers; 08-09-2014 at 08:28 PM.
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Originally Posted by fumblefingers
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You forgot one.
"And if you find yourself getting mad, it’s probably because you know Jazz is dead.
Why get upset if what I’m saying doesn’t ring true?"
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As I said, it's like a Rohrshock test.
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Originally Posted by fumblefingers
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Payton knows how to push buttons and instigate a dialogue. Some think this helps because it ruffles feathers, but is profound enough to make you think, and in the end, it might help...jazz. For those that don't remember, that's what Muhammad Ali did for boxing with his mouth and his politics. He was a major force in turning boxing into a huge money sport. Wouldn't it be cool if some bigmouth could do that for jazz? Worked for Miles....and Wynton....
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I really don't see that race thing being that important for the state of jazz now.
Yeah the situation was quite different at the time when all the majors and "elite" were "strictly" white.
I mean most of the great jazz bands of the time, trios, quatuors or else were usually a collaboration between black and white men. Just think Oscar Petersen, Oliver Jones, Red Norvo, Dave Brubeck...both blacks and white in these bands...
Actually Jazz was and is probably one of the most open minded and less "race" restricted music style we can think of
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Originally Posted by vinlander
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Originally Posted by woland
woland . . if this system isn't quite working to your satisfaction . . feel free to go back to the eastern block. Just don't come here telling the forum your opinion of everything that wrong with this country. No one dragged you here against you will.
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Originally Posted by Stevebol
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Originally Posted by Jonzo
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Originally Posted by Patrick2
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NP has played his fair share of straight ahead stuff even a tribute to Armstrong, so in all honesty I'm not sure what the hell he was going on about.
This rant was written during the re-election cycle for Obama, and OWS was out there - and he referenced it.
I don't know his story or if he was political before, but this looks like an attempt at relevancy and attention getting during some hyper-political and divisive times. as said above, vile & disgusting.
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Originally Posted by Jonzo
Ruined a perfectly good song. Isn't that was rappers do? Mess up R&B?
There was a real negative reaction to the rap in the song, but, a lot of people might be getting down on it just because they don't like JZ, not because of what happened with the music.
I don't know, I thought the song was really good, once you got past the long intro but then at 3:15 they lost me. Rap, strippers yada yada.
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Originally Posted by Patrick2
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