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I was just wondering anybody actually listen to the mahavishnu orchestra? I'm not talking about McLaughlin specifically, just the music they made.
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12-30-2013 04:33 AM
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I really like McLaughlin in everything he does.
Some people don't.
But, what is your question? If we can listen to this music??
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I had a couple of albums when I was 15 - nearly 40 years ago now! I vaguely recall getting into Eastern meditation, and all that stuff, and they (MO) were an obvious connection. But I bought a kind of Best Of CD a few years back, and was struck by how un-peaceful the music actually was. I think Ravi Shanker said something along the lines of, how come so much violence comes from people purporting to be spiritual. I thought that was quite amusing. So, when we strip away all the spiritual-meditative stance, we are left with one white-hot prog-jazz-rock band, who left us some astonishing moments.
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Well, I was wondering if anybody sees it as the epitome of McLaughlin's career, in terms of artistic merit.
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Nick, I personally prefer Shakti, that's what I see as the best thing he did, especially in live session.
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Wow, this is an entirely different question from your original one ... Restart the post.
Originally Posted by nick1994
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Well, JM's career is far from over, so I see no need yet to discuss whether one group epitomises his entire output. As for artistic merit - I've no idea what objective scale you would use to judge that.
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I love the MO but for me it's all part of his varied career...Shaki, Mo and all the jazz projects
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Well, I think that the mahavishnu orchestra was quite innovative and fresh. Now, I just can't seem to find that same vibe in his music.
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It was early, and of course sounds dated by now. Anything that is current and ground breaking sounds antiquated after time, and after it has influenced follow-on work.
it was genre-shattering and out of the blue at the time so it may well be the most historically significant work of his - but then there is Shakti.
as to your original question, I think most JM fans follow him currently and don't look back. Interestingly, other recording artists have recorded MO works as of late. JM is asked to put the group back together now and then for big bucks. RTF did it, it would be fun if JM did likewise. Maybe he just doesn't want to go back to 1972. Maybe that would seem like the musical equivalent of Austin Powers or something...
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That is a good point that I would like to discuss. Is jazz generally about moving forward and never looking back like with Miles abandoning his straight ahead roots? Is it good to never look back? I say, if you want to see where you're heading, you must look at where you're coming from. I know I've moved onto a tangent, but this is interesting for me.
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Yo siempre escucho Mahavishnu Orchestra,sobre todo Birds of fire,para mi,
sus músicos(McLauglinh,Jan Hammer,Rick Laird,Billy Cobham y Jerry Goodman) ,su música e improvisaciones
son excelentes y marcaron un capitulo importante en el Jazz de los años 70 junto con Weather Report.
Saludos amigos
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Jazz is a curatorial art form right now...new music is being made in essentially every sub genre that existed in Jazz'z history. This is not a bad thing. Originally Posted by nick1994
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well, think about this: Is new music that imitates classic straight ahead music actually keeping alive the essence of jazz? Is jazz about moving onto new ideas and new sounds?
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I dig the mahavisnu
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McLaughlin has looked back into his history and brought back another band to the fore, from the time-to-time. Shakti.
His new group was called "Remember Shakti". Personally, Shakti/Remember Shakti is a much more interesting musical project to me than MO. Those tight unison lines! Breath, damn it, come up for air.
I thought the rock bands did that music better than MO. I'm thinking specifically of King Crimson, the '72-'74, the one with the violin player in the line up, the line up that seemed to form in the wake of "the Inner Mounting Flame". Even though the musicians in King Crimson were hardly of the caliber of the cats in MO.
"The Inner Mounting Flame" is the only MO record I still listen to.
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Originally Posted by nick1994
with regards to your first question, can you provide some examples of who/what you're talking about?
with regards to your second question, i think that the practitioners of any serious art form attempt to advance the art, and i think that jazzers consider jazz to be a serious art form.
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Who says the new music imitates classic straight ahead? Originally Posted by nick1994
Who's really doing something brand new?
If you get too concerned about what qualifies as jazz, you'll never have time to play a lick of it.
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Well, the music that people like Wynton Marsalis, James Morrison, Diana Krall etc. they seem to imitate classic styles of jazz which is what most of us do, but do you think that is playing jazz? or is that just trying to keep alive something that has past? (not that it's a bad thing).
What does it mean to use the word jazz. And if we don't know what it is that we are playing, how can we play it? isn't it fundamental to understand what jazz is if we claim ourselves as jazz musicians/enthusiasts?Last edited by nick1994; 12-31-2013 at 12:30 AM.
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Does it swing? Are they improvising?
Yeah, it's jazz. Really, you have to ask?
I've had a few, so I apologize for the tone of my post, but the whole "advancing the music" thing is bullshit. You know never claimed to be advancing the music? The cats that actually did.
Jazz isn't a what, it's a how.Last edited by mr. beaumont; 12-31-2013 at 12:33 AM.
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Well, if jazz was defined by those two principles, then it wouldn't be jazz. I guess what I'm trying to do is to get people thinking by asking questions people generally wouldn't. But, it is important to ask these questions, I think it is because it helps people create a definition for jazz that works for them. If you can't define jazz, why call it jazz, and even more importantly, why play jazz? If you think jazz is solely improvising over changes, then say, I play jazz because I like improvising over changes.
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Inner Mounting Flame changed the music scene back in 71'. Billy C. was the man. I just wish ol' J.M. would get a new hair do.. His hair looked great, up til bout' 10 yrs. or so ago. now it looks like someone popped a bowl on his head, and cut round the bottom....
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Inner Mounting Flame - Dance Of Maya, The Noonward Race and Vital Transformation
Birds Of Fire - Sanctuary and One Word
Between Nothingness and Eternity - Dream
The loudest and most intense jamming I ever heard as a young wannabe player, completely changed my life, opened my mind and expanded my consciousness. I played that stuff constantly for a long time. Never got to see them live but did see One Truth. Coltrane and Mahavishnu were my religion. OK, I know, enough of that $@#&***.....!!
I still listen to it occasionally, especially Sanctuary.
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Originally Posted by bob dullam
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Mahavishnu Orchestra was John McLaughlin's musical project in 70/s.
It was like great experiment/mix of rock and jazz/...It was something new on the music market.
People liked it very much.It was in the time that electric guitar was the most important instrument.
I Think.Everyone guitarist wanted to play like JM...It was a great time.
but quastion:Anybody like Mahavishnu orchestra?
today?
I can say I like it but I listen not too much it.
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