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Yeah, they might go back to Chuck Berry but not Charlie....
So imagine my surprise when I learned all these early rockers had been inspired by him.
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03-23-2019 06:10 AM
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Actually, I think those old R&R guitarists got their inspiration from multiple sources, not just guitarists. For example, Chuck Berry's solo on "Johnny B. Goode" has always striken me as something Lester Young could have played in 1943 - especially the rhythmics twists of it and the staying on one note which is played with varying accents/fingerings.
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Originally Posted by oldane
Didn’t know who Lester young was back then.
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What! Are you really saying that if you were to play a Goodman track to a rock guitar fan/player, and then, say, "Swing to Bop" from the Minton Sessions, that any rock player would not immediately jump on the Minton track has being of A LOT more interest to them?
The SOUND! The ATTACK. The "joie de vivre" of the Minton recordings are so much more to modern rock tastes than the safe, bouncy Goodman recordings.
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Originally Posted by oldane
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Originally Posted by diminished1944
yeah!" ...
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Originally Posted by diminished1944
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Originally Posted by sgosnell
The influence of musicians is primarily on other musicians. Sometimes it is direct---as in player B cops a lick from player A---and other times it is indirect, as in C cops a lick from B who copped it from Charlie Christian...
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Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
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Originally Posted by diminished1944
I don't think the Minton's recordings were widely available before the mid '70s. (Though the sessions were from 1941.)
Here's a short clip of Brian Setzer playing one of Charlie's guitars. Setzer---who was very popular in the late '70s among rock guitar players--was known to have fused rockabilly, country, and swing guitar. He knew his Charlie Christian licks.
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Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
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The Minton Sessions were first released in the 1940s!
BUT! BUT! BUT! As I have said, the Goodman recordings would - to say the least - have caught the ears of guitarists in the late 30s/early 40s. However, the harder edged sound, and extended soloing on the Minton Sessions is where we can hear Charlie at his majestic best.
AND if you don't agree with that, you are beyond redemption.
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Swing to bop is possibly my favourite guitar playing.
I’m interested to know how much direct influence he had on the later rock players. I honestly don’t know. I don’t hear Jeff Back talking about him, or Page, but perhaps I am wrong. They were into the rockabilly stuff that drew direct influence though.
Obviously for anyone picking up in the 40s he put that instrument on the map.
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Well, Beck talks about Cliff Gallup (Gene Vincents jazz inspired guitarist) and Cliff talks about Charlie.
Of course, that "once" removed situation can be used with B B King. For example, Eric Clapton raves about B B King, and B B raves about Charlie.
And, of course, we can draw a connection line back from any modern country player. For example, Brent Mason is maybe the greatest modern country player and he cites Charlie as an influence.
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Originally Posted by diminished1944
But to simply describe Charlie Christian as a jazz guitarist I think is to miss his widespread influence on all areas of music. Even Stravinsky was a fan!
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Originally Posted by christianm77
I remember Dickie Betts saying in an interview that he was heavily influenced by Django Reinhard and Charlie Christian for example....
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Originally Posted by Phil59
https://www.amazon.com/Trading-Licks...ustrec_signin&
I haven't read that book but I've read another one by the same author and it's good.
https://www.amazon.com/Guitar-Chord-...sr=1-1-catcorr
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I love this Charlie Byrd tribute to Charlie C. It's a pity Charlie Byrd didn't play more of this single line stuff. See clip below. Charlie's solo starts just after 30secs
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