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he only had one ES-350
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08-02-2012 11:30 AM
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I've done some video research as well! Check this out....
Originally Posted by daveg
'Blue Mist' pix. Legends of Jazz Guitar (LJG) vol 2.
A notch or cut, the pickup binding facing the bridge is missing whereas the other side is stepped. Note the adjustment screw is quite shiny/new looking. The finger board has 10 dots and the sunburst is teardrop shaped and 2 toned. I can only guess this is late 60's.
'Medley' LJG vol 3.
A wrap of some sort going over the blade, a shadow can be seen. Note the adjustment screws are discoloured. It's the 10 dot neck and 2 tone sunburst, teardrop shape. Same backing band and hairstyle as the previous image/track so again 60's?
'BBC Blues' LJG vol 2.
Here we see a later CC pickup with the notch already there. The adjustment screws look clean. Now this is the 7 dot neck and the sunburst shape follows the outline of the guitar body and is 3 toned with a lot of red showing. As for the date I think it's 70's.
Yup, that old video clip but as he says....
'This pickup was built in 1939, it has a very high quality of cobalt and copper which is unavailable in the world today!'
Ha! That's because he's been trashing them....
Just another thing, the pickup placement seems to move about from one clip to another, interesting!
This has been a very interesting search, thanks for all the input.
Any other players guitars still being used after they've moved on?Last edited by jazzbow; 04-15-2014 at 02:39 PM.
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I think Grant Green's son, Grant Green Jr, is using his father's guitar - the D'Angelico that Grant used at the very end of his career. I'm not sure though.
I would really like to know what happened to Wes' L5, Grant's ES-330, Atilla Zoller's Framus AZ10, Jim Hall's ES-175 (Fortunately, Jim's still alive and kicking, but he sold it!), Emily Remler's modified ES-330 and her Borys...
Oh, and the ES-125 of Wim Overgauw is now being used by Martijn van Iterson!
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As for Wes' L5 (the one with the heart on it), check this out: Originally Posted by Little Jay
WES MONTGOMERY GUITAR
The other custom made 1-PU L5 (the one with his name inlaid) is now on display in his home town, Indianapolis. It's my understanding that his widow had it until it was given to the museum. A photo of it behind glass in the museum can be seen in Adrian Ingrams book on wes.
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A few days ago I sent an e-mail to a colleague in Australia who knew Barney well and accompanied him on some tours. He replied this morning saying that "I recall Ike Isaacs telling me years ago that Barney had two ES350's and he sold one to someone in Germany".
It was Ike who introduced me to Barney, Herb and Charlie backstage at the Queen Elizabeth Hall in London in 1978.
Barney Kessel Autograph
I'll continue to think that there were two Barney Kessel ES350 guitars - the evidence points in that direction and I see no other explanation for the appearance of the hole in the post 1979 version of the ES350 that he played.
Oldane, Thanks for linking to my old site - I no longer have any control over it and can't update or delete anything there.
DGLast edited by daveg; 08-03-2012 at 06:44 AM.
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Dave, I have really enjoyed this quest and I'm sure everyone on the forum will be interested in these conclusions. Originally Posted by daveg
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remarkable, entertaining discussion, thanks.
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Wes' L5 is now owned by Pat Metheny and was previously owned by George Benson. Originally Posted by Little Jay
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David B, I know we are off topic but do you know whichone of Wes’ L5s is the one that Pat Metheny owns? Does it have one or twopickups?
Wes appears in some pictures with a blonde L5 CESN.
Then in “Moving Wes” there’s the sunburst L5 CES withFlorentine cutaway, an icon, that I see recreated in the Heritage Henry Johnsonmodel.
As to the one pickup Wes’ L5s, I remember that someyears ago Mandolin Brothers had one of the two one pickup versions, that withthe mother of pearl heart shaped top protection. That guitar was caught in afire and refinished by Gibson. The otherone pickup L5 that Wes used had a diamond shaped protection and could probablybe at the Wes museum but am not sure about it.
Any of them would be a treasure to own, anyway.
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David B thanks for the reply and for the link.
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Let's hope that Pat has the good sense to replace the bridge put on by Gibson during the restoration with the correct vintage Tun-o-matic that was originally on there when Wes was using it. Originally Posted by David B
WES MONTGOMERY PHOTOGRAPHS
DG
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Going back to Barney's es350.
Here's an interesting video made up of stills from 1951-53 which shows Barney's es350 in its pre CC Pickup days sporting a P90 (and no third hole).
Mosaic Records - Jazz Video Cafe
DG
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No comments?
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Some of the photos are from the Verve "Jam Blues" session with Bird, Johnny Hodges, Ben webster - and of course the Peterson trio. On one of the photos one can see Birds King horn lying on the piano, on others one can see Hodges and Webster. Another famous photo from that sesssion is the one where a tired looking Bird is sitting with a cigarette in hand on his upright saxophone case (they must have made good cases back then - Bird was fat and heavy at that time). Originally Posted by daveg
As for Barneys guitar, I think (but I am not completely sure) that I have seen pictures of him with the CC PU equipped guitar before that. One can not rule out that he had other guitars than that one. In fact it would be stupid for a professional guitarist not to have one or more spare instruments. Some years later Wes Montgomery borrowed an ES 125 from Kessel for one of The Montgomery Brothers recording sessions for Pacific Records.
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well, that link explains a lot Dave.
I read somewhere that Barney's 350 was a custom order w/CC p.u.
the link you posted clearly shows it was originally a stock 350 and he switched out the P-90.
that being the case it wouldn't be too difficult to find another 350 and do the same p.u. switch.
conclusion being that I stand corrected--he very well might have had two single P-90 ES-350's he converted to CC's
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Thanks guys.
I think that Barney's guitar(s) went through a lot of changes.
For instance:
The link to the OP Trio above (1951?) PROBABLY shows the ex-factory ES350 bought around 1947. Trapezium markers and P90.
Cover of "Easy Like" (CD) seems to show dot neck and P90 (cover photo 1953).
Cover of "Kessel Plays Standards" (CD) - dot neck (D fret) and CC Pickup (cover photo is 54/55).
There's an undated photo of Barney with Tal Farlow (and what appears to be the back of George Wein's head) in which it still has the D fret but has acquired a set of Grover Imperials. (Edit - Barney and Tal played together with Wein's Newport All-Stars in New York in 1969).
Some time later it lost its C# and D frets but maintained its C# Dot!!!! The surgery was "crude" in that no attempt had been made to bind the sawn off end of the finger board.
It was still like this in 1973/74 ("Great Guitars I").
By 1977/79 the finger board had lost its A, B and C# dots and was re-bound.
In 1979 the third hole appeared - why??
This is totally off the wall and is very unlikely, but if the third hole was "ex-factory" then the ONLY Gibson with that configuration was the P90 equipped ES-5. This was essentialy a "dressed up" ES350 with 3 pickups, 3 tone controls and a Master Volume near the cutaway.
The three holes certainly look like the ES-5 configuration but there is no sign of any repair work which would have been necessary to hide the two p/u holes and the master volume hole.
If the third hole was inflicted by Barney - why? - it seems VERY unlikely.
Maybe we'll never know.
To paraphrase a well known joke over here - "It's the same guitar that I bought in 1947 - It's had three new necks and two new bodies, but it's the same guitar!!"
DGLast edited by daveg; 08-09-2012 at 07:55 AM.
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Some of the comments are worth reading!
DG
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