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02-17-2011, 12:50 PM #51Baltar Hornbeek GuestOriginally Posted by markerhodes
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02-17-2011 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Baltar Hornbeek
Irving Berlin, The Dean of American Songwriters"
Read the paragraph that starts with "Though lyrics were his immediate claim to fame".
Great songwriter of course.
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02-17-2011, 02:13 PM #53Baltar Hornbeek GuestOriginally Posted by paynow
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Originally Posted by Baltar Hornbeek
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Originally Posted by JonnyPac
Originally Posted by markerhodes
Of course the fact that I've hardly picked up the JG except for gigs in the last 2 years hasn't helped. But my final CG recital is in a month and a half and and I can't wait to put down the CG and do nothing by JG for a month. I have so many things I want to try.
But there are plenty of great players who are not speed-oriented. Personally, I tend to prefer them. As I said, I'm a big fan of subtlety, and flashy speed it kind of the opposite of that. When I hear some guy ripping through scales it often sounds unmusical to me.
Peace,
Kevin
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Originally Posted by paynow
Ha! He's like a folkie with a capo!
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I'm a firm beliver in all things being relative. Miles is a mediocre player relative to the group of players he played with, perhaps. But I mean if someone ever said I was mediocre vis a vis Charlie Parker or Django I'd consider that a compliment. Now if they said I was mediocre vis a vis John Lennon, I'd be putting some guitars on ebay
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Originally Posted by ejwhite09
I'm not saying the OP is doing this, but about 90% of the time when I see questions/statements like this on forums the actual subtext is "I learned to play scales really fast, then I heard a Miles/Monk album where it didn't sound all that fast and I'm wondering why they had a career and I'm playing rhythm changes in the lounge at the pizzeria and no one gives a shit. Can someone tell me that?"
Because it's not 1948, Applebees isn't the Three Deuces and these guys were there at the creation of something, or better yet, they were instrumental (no pun intended) in its creation. I actually once read a question on a forum where a guy asked why his piano teacher, who played much faster than Monk, wasn't well known. Fucking hilarious. The guy wasn't even a jazz musician.
That was my point, and from a musical standpoint the Dylan analogy is better.Last edited by paynow; 02-17-2011 at 03:04 PM. Reason: my horrible typing. I'm a much better guitarist
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Originally Posted by Baltar Hornbeek
Joe Walsh told a story about meeting one of The Beatles---probably George, though it may have been Ringo---and talking about how big a deal it was to him to learn "Dear Prudence" on guitar as a kid. The comeback was that on the original recording, it took *two* guitarists to play the part because neither Beatle could play the whole thing alone. (It might have been Paul and George rather than George and John. Heck, Paul is probably a better guitar player than John was.)
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02-17-2011, 03:01 PM #60Baltar Hornbeek Guest
Really? You can do more with a guitar then Lennon was able to?
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Originally Posted by paynow
Originally Posted by markerhodes
I write good 3 or 4 chord songs, if I'd spend less time learning Jazz and more time playing them around town, I could probably be a much more known guy than I am. I have no idea why playing jazz means so much to me. I could probably be touring if I could happy playing pop music. And I'm sure thats true for many people who suffer to play a couple hours on a friday night.
Lennon and Macca's greatness is as lyrical writers, their musical compositions are very vanilla, which makes sense, as their main influence songwriting was Tin Pan Alley. So many early beatles tunes are in AABA. Im surprised more of their tunes haven't found their way into the jazz standard vocab.
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Originally Posted by Baltar Hornbeek
He was a great songwriter; that doesn't make him a great guitar player. Further, I grew up on rock and roll and don't recall ever hearing John's name tossed around (-as a GUITARIST) in interviews with rock guitar players. One heard more about Chuck Berry, Keith Richards, Gene Vincent, hell, Eddie Cochran, for that matter. Then of course the heavyweights: Hendrix, Clapton, Page, Beck, Blackmore.
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02-17-2011, 03:17 PM #63Baltar Hornbeek GuestOriginally Posted by markerhodes
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Originally Posted by markerhodes
Lennon himself was very upfront about his limitations, in many ways he played a role of leader of the Beatles his personality was much more important to their success than his talents. That said, I don't want to give the impression that I think playing rhythm guitar in a rock n roll band is an easy job.
I think and perhaps this also speaks to Miles' success, that sometimes if not always force of personality can overcome limitations of talent.
Let's be frank Im sure Miles's and John's abilities to frankly make asses of themselves in interviews had a lot to do with their success...one can never underestimate the power of good copy. If you give good copy the press will forgive your faults, cover your biggest mistakes, and always give you good reviews.
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Originally Posted by fep
Is there a better recording of Summertime ?
(and there are many many versions out there)
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And what an arrangement by Gill Evans too ..... just superb
I'm just about to transcribe those horn answering phrazes
thanks for posting that
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Originally Posted by pingu
Yes, Bechet does it the best I've ever heard.
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Originally Posted by ejwhite09
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Originally Posted by max_power
Originally Posted by max_power
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Originally Posted by ejwhite09
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Originally Posted by Stackabones
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Originally Posted by Baltar Hornbeek
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Jesus Christ, for the last time, I'm NOT putting chops on a pedastool. My claim to Miles' being mediocre wasn't due to his lack of chops alone, but tone, vibrato, and just being a trumpet player in general.
I said it before and here it goes again, I was better off having said that Miles Davis was a mediocre TRUMPET player.
And yes, I can easily see The Beatles' tunes considered as standards. Grant Green did a wonderful rendition of "A Day In The Life".
It's always the guitar players huh?
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02-17-2011, 05:07 PM #74StraightNoChaser Guest
My wife thinks most of John Coltrane's solos sound like someone holding a goose by the feet and swinging it around their head.mmmmmmmm.
Miles is still the coolest to me,not the best maybe.There's not much any better than Miles and Coltrane together,only Wes.
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Originally Posted by musicjohnny
I think Wes did a version of that one too. I'm gonna sit down with my Mark Levine and some Beatles sheets and do some reharms this weekend and see what I can do!
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