Playing like Louis Armstrong.

[Christian Miller]

As far as learning stuff by ear and playing along with records goes - I think that's a great way of learning experientially. I do think that the more I've worked on rhythm the more I hear - and the more discerning I get about it and the more exact I can play along with things.

[ruger9]

No I’m saying the opposite.

You see to be saying that anything that didn’t come from a teacher or a book is “innate.” Which is wrong. If something came from experience, it wasn’t “innate.” It came from experience.



Among people who practice a good bit? Not all that often honestly.



Again you seem to be mistaking a specific formal structure (the metronome, eg the teacher) for practice at all. People who don’t play with a metronome absolutely work on their time. Not sure why you’d think they don’t, beyond not knowing better.



Again, the lessons thing.

Not sure why, but what you think I'm saying is not what I'm saying. We'll just leave it at that.

[ruger9]

I have never experienced this player.

I have. So where does that leave us?

The interesting part of this discussion is, some here seem to think there is ONLY ONE way to do this, and have closed their mind to anything that deviates from that concept. Whereas I'm more "different strokes for different folks" and all that.

[ruger9]

My son has excellent time on multiple instruments and never used a metronome.

At the other extreme, I've played with a person who used the metronome constantly and still had poor time.

On average, I think it's helpful, but some people do well without it and others can't profit enough from it.

This is exactly my point. "lessons" "hard work" and "a metronome" don't guarantee anything.... and the lack of them doesn't guarantee anything either.

[pamosmusic]

I have. So where does that leave us?

The interesting part of this discussion is, some here seem to think there is ONLY ONE way to do this, and have closed their mind to anything that deviates from that concept. Whereas I'm more "different strokes for different folks" and all that.

No one here thinks that.

[pamosmusic]

Not sure why, but what you think I'm saying is not what I'm saying. We'll just leave it at that.

Sure man.

[ruger9]

No one here thinks that.

Our perceptions of that "fact" disagree.

[pamosmusic]

Our perceptions of that "fact" disagree.

Haha okay

worth noting that your perception of what people think doesn’t change what they actually do think — but go off

[AllanAllen]

I'd prefer we get back to Louis Armstrong. Did that family that helped him out have a metronome?

[pamosmusic]

I'd prefer we get back to Louis Armstrong. Did that family that helped him out have a metronome?

my perception of that fact is that they did

[AllanAllen]

Brent (OP) if you do come back.

There are a lot of Armstrong recordings, do you have a playlist anywhere of your top recordings? Essential listens?

[James W]

Brent (OP) if you do come back.

There are a lot of Armstrong recordings, do you have a playlist anywhere of your top recordings? Essential listens?

Hot Fives and Sevens?

[ruger9]

Haha okay

worth noting that your perception of what people think doesn’t change what they actually do think — but go off

Again- this is my point entirely. Different strokes for different folks. There IS NO "one way".

Unless you're a Mandalorian.

[ruger9]

I'd prefer we get back to Louis Armstrong. Did that family that helped him out have a metronome?

My point exactly.

[AllanAllen]

Hot Fives and Sevens?

I think OP was going through the Decca years too.

[AllanAllen]

That ascending line he does in the later part of the song (2, 3&, 1, 2&, 4).

About 2:04 in the first one. Really hip stuff.

[Mick-7]

But what about all the people who never needed a metronome, because they simply had good time... like good time was "natural" for them

I have never experienced this player.

It's a rather silly statement, what is "good" time-wise is relative. Would this person who "simply has good time" be able to immediately play anything he hears with the correct rhythms? - odd time signatures, polyrhythms, etc.? I think not.

Metronome history -- A Brief History of the Mechanical Metronome - Guarneri Hall

[Christian Miller]

Though Louis Armstrong played melody and Django harmony, I always have thought of Django as the “Louis Armstrong” of jazz guitar. Both were masters at playing with the rhythm of a tune.
What a great era the 1920’s-1940’s were for jazz.

I feel like Django was more influenced by Louis than any guitarist


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[joe2758]

I think they are generally considered to be pretty good