What did you learn from Miles Davis?

[kris]

No. DC Cornelius has never played Miles Davis jazz standards... or any jazz standards. DC Cornelius doesn't like MD's playing & music. I thought you would have worked that out by now - I've never felt the need to play other peoples music. I write my own stuff.

Here on the forum, most musicians play jazz standards and communicate with each other in this way.

[kris]

Santana done nothing for me. But what he did achieve <IN_MY_OPINION> was a particular style/ feel that earned him tons of cash= good luck to him I say

I like Santana very much and it was my favorite guitar player when I was 13 years old.

[pamosmusic]

I like Santana very much and it was my favorite guitar player when I was 13 years old.

Me too man. Me too.

[kris]

[kris]

Very interesting:
Such outstanding musicians as Miles or Carlos can be recognized by a few notes even when they play their own stufff.

[Hep To The Jive]

I'll never forgive Santana for Smooth.

[kris]

Miles Davis Response when asked, "would you be a musician if nobody ever heard you"? - YouTube

[Litterick]

Here on the forum, most musicians play jazz standards and communicate with each other in this way.

Some do not.

[kris]

Some do not.

I know that...
However, it seems to me that this is the Jazz Guitar Forum.
For me it is important and that's why I'm here and I publish my recordings of jazz standards as well.
I personally perceive that if someone doesn't like Miles, he doesn't like jazz.
I have daily contact with jazz musicians, not rock musicians.
All the great jazz musicians I've played love Miles Davis' music, and the rock musicians I know have a lot of respect for him.
Jazz jam session-what is it?
There is also my own stuff, which is shown in my jazz solos.
Do you understand this?

[pamosmusic]

I'll never forgive Santana for Smooth.

I couldn’t thank Santana enough for Smooth.

An all time banger.

[pamosmusic]

And don’t forget about this one.

Made all the more impressive because he was able to use Chad Kroeger for good, rather than evil.

[CliffR]

I couldn’t thank Santana enough for Smooth.

An all time banger.

I hadn't heard Santana in ages when I was out shopping for a wedding suit in a department store. Smooth came on the store sound system and within a couple of bars I knew it was Santana. Love it!

[Hep To The Jive]

I couldn’t thank Santana enough for Smooth.

An all time banger.

If I never hear the song again that would be too soon. Unfortunately you reperesent the majority of population who made it so popular it was shoved down our throats mercilessly at every corner. Thanks God internet basically killed the radio so I have a choice now what to listen to lol.

Santana was cool for a sec with Black Magic Woman and whatnot, but even listening to him speaking in interviews with his hippie 'spiritual' diarrhea turns me off completely. The dude made his mega succes basically just noodling in between mediocre singers singing mediocre songs. What people would do for money...

[Litterick]

I know that...
However, it seems to me that this is the Jazz Guitar Forum.
For me it is important and that's why I'm here and I publish my recordings of jazz standards as well.
I personally perceive that if someone doesn't like Miles, he doesn't like jazz.
I have daily contact with jazz musicians, not rock musicians.
All the great jazz musicians I've played love Miles Davis' music, and the rock musicians I know have a lot of respect for him.
Jazz jam session-what is it?
There is also my own stuff, which is shown in my jazz solos.
Do you understand this?

But there are many ways of making jazz, and many jazz musicians do not play standards. Miles Davis, in fact, was central to the movement away from interpretation of standards towards new compositions. Those who dislike his music are more likely to be jazz traditionalists than modernists.

[pamosmusic]

If I never hear the song again that would be too soon. Unfortunately you reperesent the majority of population who made it so popular it was shoved down our throats mercilessly at every corner. Thanks God internet basically killed the radio so I have a choice now what to listen to lol.

Santana was cool for a sec with Black Magic Woman and whatnot, but even listening to him speaking in interviews with his hippie 'spiritual' diarrhea turns me off completely. The dude made his mega succes basically just noodling in between mediocre singers singing mediocre songs. What people would do for money...

I don’t know man. You sound jealous.

Just kidding.

It probably helps that it was shoved down my throat when I was ten. So it has the same place in my heart as like … dominoes pizza and Pokemon

EDIT: I would also like to clarify that I still believe that Dominoes pizza and Pokemon rule. Original 150 anyway, but that’s a separate discussion. I think Smooth ft Rob Thomas also rules. So there we go.

[kris]

But there are many ways of making jazz, and many jazz musicians do not play standards. Miles Davis, in fact, was central to the movement away from interpretation of standards towards new compositions. Those who dislike his music are more likely to be jazz traditionalists than modernists.

Would Miles play so well if he hadn't trained on jazz standards before?
I do not know...However, he probably gained some experience interpreting jazz standards.
This is the genius of Miles...
The fact that some musicians are currently playing their own stuff It doesn't mean that they couldn't play the standard in their own way.
I know such musicians.
I know traditionalists and modernists – they all love Miles.
Most of the prominent jazz musicians played or recorded standards....or they learned standards in jazz schools.

[supersoul]

But there are many ways of making jazz, and many jazz musicians do not play standards. Miles Davis, in fact, was central to the movement away from interpretation of standards towards new compositions. Those who dislike his music are more likely to be jazz traditionalists than modernists.

Even if a jazz musician doesn't play standards, they should be able to. It's a baseline, and I'm not sure how one could learn jazz without studying how to play on standards. Standards are also a way for people to play with other musicians, even if meeting for the first time at jam sessions. Everyone knows Stella, for instance, and if you can play on Stella you show that you can play jazz.

I think Miles didn't care for the term "jazz," he just made the music that he made. He was criticized a lot in the 80s as not being jazz, and he thought the criticism was stupid. I like 80s Miles a lot; it's good music and I love that he kept changing.

[kris]

Even if a jazz musician doesn't play standards, they should be able to. It's a baseline, and I'm not sure how one could learn jazz without studying how to play on standards. Standards are also a way for people to play with other musicians, even if meeting for the first time at jam sessions. Everyone knows Stella, for instance, and if you can play on Stella you show that you can play jazz.

I think Miles didn't care for the term "jazz," he just made the music that he made. He was criticized a lot in the 80s as not being jazz, and he thought the criticism was stupid. I like 80s Miles a lot; it's good music and I love that he kept changing.

+1
I think so too.

[lammie200]

...I think Miles didn't care for the term "jazz," he just made the music that he made. He was criticized a lot in the 80s as not being jazz, and he thought the criticism was stupid. I like 80s Miles a lot; it's good music and I love that he kept changing.

I think he didn't like the term jazz because of the stereotypical connotations of what jazz musicians had become to people outside of the music. He said that if a jazz musician were accused of a crime, the tendency would be to assume that they were black. But I also agree that he probably just didn't like to be classified as anything in particular as well.

[pamosmusic]

I think he didn't like the term jazz because of the stereotypical connotations of what jazz musicians had become to people outside of the music. He said that if a jazz musician were accused of a crime, the tendency would be to assume that they were black. But I also agree that he probably just didn't like to be classified as anything in particular as well.

There's a pretty long tradition of this going back to the early 60s (probably before). Pretty soon after jazz became a popular music and musicians rebelled with bebop and all that, they began to feel like the term was more of a marketing term and that it pigeon-holed them creatively too.

Amiri Baraka has a lot of writing about this from the 60s. He called the East Village stuff (Coltrane, Taylor, Aylor, etc) the New Thing, Black Music, or the East Village Music, if I remember right.

Ravi Coltrane and Nic Payton and the like obviously have kind of continued and fleshed out that criticism more recently.

[teeps]

Knowing standards is also like learning a language, isn't it?

[Mick-7]

[Cunamara]

Knowing standards is also like learning a language, isn't it?

Music is a language, so yes. There are many dialects of music, but inter-communication is easier in music than in verbal/gestural languages.

[DC Cornelius]

Here on the forum, most musicians play jazz standards and communicate with each other in this way.

Not a jazz standard I'm sure but I couldn't stop listening to Barney Kessel's version of 'Easy to Be Hard' off the 'Hair is beautiful' album. At the age of 8 I worked it all out & was playing it perfectly according to my dad, bless him. But the thing that blew me away the most was the organ solo... So I learned how to play that as well.

[Mick-7]

Not a jazz standard I'm sure but I couldn't stop listening to Barney Kessel's version of 'Easy to Be Hard' off the 'Hair is beautiful' album.At the of 8 I worked it all out & was playing it perfectly according to my dad. But the thing that blew me away the most was the organ solo... So I learned how to play that as well.

If you keep contradicting yourself, no one here is going to take you seriously.....

I've never felt the need to play other peoples music. I write my own stuff.