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Originally Posted by Tal_175
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10-13-2022 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by AllanAllen
(I once had a discussion with a “Teddy Boy”. The rockabilly guy insisted that Chuck Berry was not proper rock & roll. )
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Tbh I think good rock players have always played changes because they play compelling melodies that they heard in their heads. Otoh there’s a lot of people out there who thinks it’s all tabs and scales. But when you look at how the famous rock players learned the learning process is really not that different from jazz players. That’s why Lennie Tristano was able to use his teaching methods with Joe Satriani when they were looking at Sabbath, or Clapton or whatever.
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Blackmore
Santana
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Man have I never been a Santana fan, and that's saying something coming from a rock/blues guitarist. Garcia too.
But then, like a songwriter friend of mine said, "you can't like everybody".
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Originally Posted by ruger9
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Peter Frampton comes to mind
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Originally Posted by Bop Head
Last edited by EllenGtrGrl; 10-14-2022 at 12:19 AM.
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Originally Posted by EllenGtrGrl
Van Halen is a different story. It is deeply rooted in classic blues rock and Eddie is for me a very underrated rhythm player. And they wrote real songs (and I still like David Lee Roth and Sammy Hagar somehow).
Of course the song comes first.
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Originally Posted by Bop Head
I would take this:
... over this:
.. any day, all day.
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Originally Posted by James W
I stopped following Van Halen’s career after “OU812” (1988 — Eddie still had long hair) because I got into other things (Jimi, Led Zep, ZZ Top, blues, jazz; for one year I would almost exclusively listen to folks like John Lee Hooker and Muddy Waters) so I did not know that song that did not enjoy very much as well.
But before I’d listen to Yngwie (“More is more!!!”) I’d rather listen to Napalm Death, Mekong Delta or Celtic Frost again LOL.
Here is some older stuff by VH that still can listen to:
(The latter shows that in the 80ies there was not only a bad taste in clothing but in humor as well)
Eddie’s and Alex’ father was an amateur clarinetist:
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TBH, although I've listened to Yngwie and Van Halen and can appreciate both in small doses (that Yngwie track I linked to is a bit of an anomaly in that I really actually like it) if we're talking eighties and playing for the song I give you Johnny Marr, beautifully weaving intricate lines around Morrissey's voice -
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Since bop head mentioned napalm death it’s important to identify the high watermark of western music that is of course the intersection of Cardiacs and ND
Tim Smith highly underrated of course. Solo at 3:05. Nothing to do with the OP of course as it’s entirely modal, but there you go. The English Zappa imo. Well actually the comparison is lazy, but it gives an idea.
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Originally Posted by James W
well maybe if you are JM
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Originally Posted by James W
Which brings us back to topic and to the old days when Peter Gabriel was playing concert flute in strange costumes:
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It's a I IV V bluz, but Jimi hits the changes pretty sweet. I always loved how he puts "ten pounds of sh*t into a one pound box", emotionally.
Red House - Jimi Hendrix (LIve 1969)
Also, @2:04 into the 1st verse....... he knows there's two blue scales and knows how to use them.
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
And a funny anectode: I was working at a ND show in the late 90ies. A colleague of mine came and wanted to do the lights voluntarily (he was later working for Slipknot in the states flying around with them in their private jet and doing the lighting for them and their real roller-coaster on stage). So I had time to be sent down through the headbanging crowd to the monitor desk stage right by ND’s FOH sound engineer who said he had no signal from the bass D.I. — so I went to the house sound guy doing monitors* and told him the problem. But he had the signal on his desk and we went through the crowd and up onto the balcony where the FOH desk was located and my colleague immediately solved the problem: ND’s sound guy was so stoned that he had forgotten to turn up the gain on the bass D.I. channel . (At that time I myself was not yet experienced enough in sound to realize the problem but I remembered the lesson.)
* BTW it was so loud at the side of the stage that my pants were literally fluttering and the guitarist standing right in front of the side-fill monitor was giving signs wanting more, more, more.
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Honestly, I think most of the good ones did. Of course they’re simple changes and usually in a single key, but that’s what makes the melodic players sound better than noodlers.
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Originally Posted by James W
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Originally Posted by Bop Head
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Originally Posted by Bop Head
Now Guthrie Govan, that boy knows his schist!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Zephyr690
I was in my 20s and jazz was my life back then, so what did I tell my friend when he called me from a show at the Nassau Coliseum to come down and meet PF?
"WTF would I wanna meet that pentatonic wanking rocker!?"
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Originally Posted by Jimmy blue note
The drummer in his band was the best funk drummer I ever played with, and could also play jazz and swing like a mother. He played with Joe Cocker.
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Joe Beck made a comment in GP magazine. "There is no relation between playing bebop guitar and playing rock guitar".
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Originally Posted by sgcim
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