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Originally Posted by thelostboss
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10-28-2021 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by JazzinNY
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Here's the next progression and the backing track for you practicing pleasure is here (160bpm): Box
I've taken to starting my practice with running up and down the 1 7 3 5 voicing in a couple of keys, then going thru exercise 3 & 4, and then playing the progressions on pg 21 and 22.
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Progress report: working through the chord scale for each key, moving in fourths. Today I did Gb. Wow, Db and Gb are black key-a-paloozas, to an extent you don't realize on guitar.
The whole thing is dependent on how well you know the piano keys. Frustrating to still occasionally play a Db when wanted an Eb. Gotta just stick with it; it's much better than a few months ago. And as FEP says, sometimes you get happy accidents.
Ergonomics: some shapes, like C to Bb (left hand) were giving me strain, like golfer's elbow. I was keeping pinky towards me. Now I'm pushing it into the sliver of white, even or above the thumb. Much better.
I like to practice going up the scale just the outside notes (1, 7) and then just the inside notes (3, 5) and then put them together.
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Originally Posted by JazzinNY
Going up the scale with the 1 7 3 5... He's given us three voicings, 1 7 3 5, 1 3 7 9, and 1 5 7 3 (see page 10). I feel I need to start practicing the 1 5 7 3, he does mention in the book that you may want to run that up the scales/keys also, just one sentence and it's easy to miss. Probably the 1 3 5 7 would be useful also.
Playing the progressions I sometimes feel like the jump resulting from a 1 7 3 5 to another 1 7 3 5 just doesn't sound great and it's useful to use other voicings.
For example, the progression on page 21, C-7 F7 Bbmaj7 Em7 F7 Bbmaj7 A7. C-7 F7 Bbmaj7 is fine just the way we are learning but after that I'm wanting to figure out smoother chord to chord movement.
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Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop
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Originally Posted by fep
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I propose that this be the Coker thread. If anyone wants to discuss Aebersold or Levine or anything else, make it a separate thread.
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Originally Posted by JazzinNY
Those ii V I's are pretty much on topic in particular because Cocker keeps referring to the Abersold books and the ii V I book in particular.
Still, that stuff is all on the back burner for me as Cocker makes a good argument for limiting the number of voicings we take on at first. I'll try to find that explanation in the book a bit later.
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Pages 23 & 24
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If you’re studying jazz piano the Aerbersold books are where it’s at. They’ve sold in the many hundreds of thousands. They’re a series of some 100 different books. The ii V l is the first to display jazz chords. The only thing better are Aebersold’s books which reveal his actual playing. Jamey plays sax, piano, bass, and a plethora of instruments.
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Originally Posted by 2bornot2bop
I'm planning on taking the 1st pass through the book and then on the second pass through I'm going to add the Abersold books Cocker suggests.
I found this online Abersold streaming site that I'll use (no room for more music books on my shelves, for that matter I have another three boxes full of books).
https://streaming.jazzbooks.com/
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FEP: getting back to your postings from pages 21 to 24: they are lovely, but ...
If this is going to be a group, it needs to have several people going thru the book at about the same pace. So maybe start a new thread for each chunk.
I should be able to post something from about page 16, 17 this weekend or Monday. Two other guys have shown interest, but have keyboard issues.
Pages 20 to 30 have A LOT of material.
Then page 30 has a clear demarcation point, Blues and Rootless Voicings.
Just a suggestion ... it's your baby.
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Originally Posted by JazzinNY
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That’s why I posted those photos. Omit the bass note, lower the voicings an octave below middle C up to D a 9th above and you’ve got left hand rootless voicings including 9ths, b9, +9, +5, b5, and 13th’s. It’s nothing difficult for a jazz guitarist. Plus JA has a hip rhythm section to practice along with to get your timing down pat.
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I should be ready for Carnegie Hall soon.
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Or maybe the Blue Note ...
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Hey Alan, Great to see you posting.
Your D G F A choice, kind of a mysterious modern-sounding chord. But in the sense that "modern chords" these days go back aways, Debussy perhaps.
D F A is a Dm chord. I guess the G is an add 4, so Dm add4. Similar to the modal jazz tune, the names escaping me, that goes from Dm7sus4 and then modulates up a 1/2 step to Ebm7sus4. I think that voicing is D A C G A to Eb Bb Db Ab Bb.
I'm guessing your elbow pain will eventually go away, at least for all but long sessions. I hope so.
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Yes I was thinking it's a modern sound too. Doing just a few R-4 breaks up the repetitive R-7.
Apparently it's ulnar nerve pain, similar to golfer's elbow, underneath (whereas tennis elbow is on top). Just trying to manage it with moderation (guitar has brought it on too). I ordered a compression sleeve which supposedly may help.
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A quickie:
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Very cool Alan. This piano thing brings in a whole new set of discoveries.
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Originally Posted by fep
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Yes, James with the leather jacket! Cool guy, also the only guy on YouTube who waves his hands around more than me.
Some of the Casio's have an amazing acoustic bass voice you can use as a split.
Anyway, welcome aboard ... Looks like we have a group.
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Originally Posted by bleakanddivine
I do love using the midi and if you want to give it a go check out this piano software that is free, lots of free sound software in the Reaper Mania videos. He did a series of them. Note that all sounds used in the video are free plugins (software).
If you are an Apple user you can use GarageBand which is already loaded with sound plugins that you can use with your midi controller.
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