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I loved Luther Perkins too. Did you know he always used flatwound strings? They were much more common then, so he wasn't the only one. But he definitely did. I think it adds a lot to the sound. (I recently put flats on my Tele.) Also, no squeak!
Originally Posted by digger
I enjoyed The Stray Cats too. I still think "Stray Cat Strut" is a cool song.
Jeff Beck is singularly amazing.
I love this live version of "My Baby Left Me" (and "Matchbox" too)----you never heard drums sound this crisp on the old records. And is that a Marshall amp I see????
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01-02-2021 11:48 AM
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God,
I can't imagine no one mentioned the King of Rockabilly: Jerry Lee Lewis.
Play live . . . Marinero
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Oh, yea . . . Blue-eyed Soul Brother
Play live . . . Marinero
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I don't care what anyone likes or doesn't like. I didn't really express my opinion on the Strat Cats other than they are oft categorized as rockabilly. They are neo rockabilly at best and new wave pop at worst. Originally Posted by ruger9
Rockabilly is a sub genre of Rock n Roll. It is a very specific sound that occurred in a very small window of time in the mid to late 50s. Labels are often put on things after the fact. Bach didn't refer to himself as a Baroque composer.
You don't need all of these things to qualify as rockabilly but you need most. There are exceptions to all of these. Vocals
Acoustic guitar
Double bass
Very often electric guitar
Very often slapback echo on the entire mix (not just guitar or vocals)
Drums are optional
Almost all released on small independent labels as 45 singles. Not albums.
Take Elvis. His Sun recordings didn't have any drums. When his contact with Sun was bought. He didn't record any more rockabilly tracks. The sound changed. They added drums and background vocals. What made his Sun recordings special was the distinct mix of r and b and c and w. He would pay an r and b song in a c and w way. Or a c and w song in an r and b way.
Other things that changed were that they released LP. And you can't have a whole LP of uptempo songs. That will never sell (plus Elvis really was a crooner at heart). They also started using song writers trying to ape his earlier songs. As opposed to taking a song from another genre and playing it in a new way.
This is one brief case study.
As for Jerry Lee. He's killer.
and played on loads of rockabilly tracks. Except the ones where he was the singer. No acoustic and no double bass.
Doesn't fit the description. It's Rock and Roll. Equally cool. Just a different thing.
Pluto is cool and special. Just not a planet.
Play dead...
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A better but still bad analogy would have been comparing SRV and Robert Johnson.
The Blues is a big genre with lots of sub genres. SRV and Albert King are not in the same sub genre or play in the same style.
Bach and Beethoven are both classical composers, (note the use of the lower case c) but sound extremely disparite because there are things that distinguish their styles despite their composing in the same genre.
Play dead...
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It's mostly marketing that I think started in the late 70s. Originally Posted by ruger9
Play dead...
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In general I think that if you like a genre and wish for it to grow or be more popular it would be wise to define it in ways that are more inclusive and less exclusive. To do otherwise is to impose an ideological straitjacket that will suffocate innovation and eventually sentence the once-admired genre to ultimate irrelevance. That's just how the Biz works.
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It's just marketing. Bad marketing at that. Your don't need anything fancy to get that sound. I'm sure the pedal is actual fine. Just superfluous. And it's not going to help you hit the right notes. Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
What is actually more helpful would be single coils. No rockabilly players at that time would have had those new fancy hum bucking pickups. It a Gretsch. Aside from Cliff Gallup, I don't think anyone played a Gretsch. (See Eddie Cochrane and the e bass above).
But gear isn't overly important in rockabilly. Not like surf music. A single coil guitar into a tube amp (yes with flatwounds) will get you most of the way there.
But hey Mark make sure you use an analogue (style) delay. You don't want to end up sounding like the edge with those clean repeats.
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wow, lots of wrong info being thrown around here...the term rockabilly is completely authentic and goes back to the 1950's!!
the johnny burnette trio-rockbilly boogie...cut july 4th 1956! at bradleys studio, nashville
stray cats were rockabilly fans coming out of punk era, so their fashion sense was a bit more over the top... saw setzer play before he was even in the stray cats
the stray cats were greatly helped and molded by their producer..the great welsh guitarist/producer-dave edmunds- who was fully grounded in rockabilly...in fact edmunds had already used the stray cats band name in a film project he was involved with-stardust..the drummer was keith moon!
dave doin ep
cheers
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It is already an irrelevant sub genre. If you define something too loosely it doesn't mean anything. Similarly if you keep moving the goalposts.
I have decreed that all music that has slapback echo on it is now rockabilly. Welcome to the club CCR!
Not very helpful or useful.
They weren't trying to create a new style of music called rockabilly. I could be wrong. But I think it was defined later looking back.
The fact that the Johnny Burnette trio had a song called "Rock-Billy Boogie" is likely were the term came from. But I don't know of any evidence that anyone called the music rockabilly at that time.
Defining music genres is not stifling creativity. Choosing to write or play within the confines of a genre is a choice. No one forces you to do that.
I choose not to eat red delicious apples. They do not appeal to me. I can still eat apples though despite my self imposed restriction. And my Apple pies are the better for it. But I don't put nectarines in a crust and call it an apple pie. Though I guess I should be more accepting of other fruits. I do also enjoy Apple galettes. But they are not Apple pies!
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I don't think Miles Davis called it Cool Jazz, or Modal.
I don't think Parker or Gillespie called their music Bebop.
Django didn't call what he played gypsy jazz.
Most artist don't like to be confined by a term. They just do what they do.
Critics and historians are typically the ones who codify movements and genres after they appear.
Obviously there are lots of exceptions like the Bauhaus school or Die Brucke. Where artists create a manifesto or the like. Or, the Meteors who coined Psychobilly.
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c'mon man!!
Dizzy Gillespie Sextet - Bebop (1945)...written by diz!
Personnel: Dizzy Gillespie (trumpet), Trummy Young (trombone), Don Byas (tenor sax), Clyde Hart (piano), Oscar Pettiford (bass), Shelly Manne (drums)
cheers
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1. I said I don't think...
2. The fact that a song was called bebop doesn't mean they called the music that. Or that they even named the song. Often the producer named the songs or marketing guys at the record company.
3. That is the same thing as Rock-Billy Boogie. It's a song title. Not a type of music.
Hell Miles didn't even like it being called Jazz.
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from wiki, but I already knew it was called bebop back then, you can hear Symphony Sid refer to it in the live Bird recordings from the Royal Roost etc.
The term "bebop" is derived from nonsense syllables (vocables) used in scat singing; the first known example of "bebop" being used was in McKinney's Cotton Pickers' "Four or Five Times", recorded in 1928.[3] It appears again in a 1936 recording of "I'se a Muggin'" by Jack Teagarden.[3] A variation, "rebop", appears in several 1939 recordings.[3] The first, known print appearance also occurred in 1939, but the term was little-used subsequently until applied to the music now associated with it in the mid-1940s.[3] Thelonious Monk claims that the original title "Bip Bop" for his composition "52nd Street Theme", was the origin of the name bebop.[4]
Some researchers speculate that it was a term used by Charlie Christian because it sounded like something he hummed along with his playing.[5] Dizzy Gillespie stated that the audiences coined the name after hearing him scat the then-nameless compositions to his players and the press ultimately picked it up, using it as an official term: "People, when they'd wanna ask for those numbers and didn't know the name, would ask for bebop."[6] Another theory is that it derives from the cry of "Arriba! Arriba!" used by Latin American bandleaders of the period to encourage their bands.[7] At times, the terms "bebop" and "rebop" were used interchangeably. By 1945, the use of "bebop"/"rebop" as nonsense syllables was widespread in R&B music, for instance Lionel Hampton's "Hey! Ba-Ba-Re-Bop".[citation needed] The bebop musician or bopper became a stock character in jokes of the 1950s, overlapping with the beatnik.[8]
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Did someone say CCR rockabilly? Here you go.
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1947 film
"Oop bop sh'bam a klook a mop" is a homage to bop drummer Kenny Clarke, nicknamed "Klook"
written by diz
cheers
ps- frankly i don't even know where this thread is goin?...what the point is? lets get back to the rockabilly tunes!
next it'll be that punk rock wasnt called that back in the 70's either...so much for the ramones sheena! haha
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gene vincent & the blue caps...(2nd edition in this vid..no cliff gallup)...the first 45 paul mccartney ever bought!
be bop a lula
cheers
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So finally we have become worse than these guys
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I got your Gretsch with a side of reverb right here...
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Excellent example of Bebop. They got rid of those stupid horns! Originally Posted by neatomic
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I'm just reporting what I have seen and/or read out of the actual people's mouths... interviews with some of the originators. Jerry Lee Lewis, Billy Lee Riley, and I'm pretty sure even Scotty Moore- all said THEY never called it "rockabilly"- THEY called it "rock and roll", and "rockabilly" became a marketing term a little later on. Originally Posted by neatomic
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I think you’re probably right. Record stores and marketers and music reviewers (AKA people who can’t play writing for people who can’t read, according to FZ) always wanted to pigeonhole players and groups. Originally Posted by ruger9
I never heard the term until the early 80’s when there was the rockabilly revival—Robert Gordon, Dave Edmunds, etc. Some of the older players were coming out of retirement as well.
Prior to that we just called it old-fashioned rock-n-roll—not necessarily in a positive sense.
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A lot of early 80’s groups picked up on the vibe of early rock-n-roll, in part as a protest against the narcissistic noodling of bands like Yes and Led Zepp. Elvis Costello, Joe Jackson, the Clash, Rockpile...many groups picked up the mantel from Gene and Eddie and Duane and others who turned out 2’30” of energetic RNR.
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