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According to Stuart Nicholson in the Cambridge Companion to Jazz (2002),
When the band toured the USA in 1967, Rolling Stone pointed out that Cream 'had been called a jazz group.' Indeed, during their tour many critics credited Cream with combining jazz and rock: 'The healthiest development in popular music these days is the extraordinary convergence of jazz and rock,' said Life magazine in 1968.
And he’s really a leader. I always felt that if I was going to be in his band he’d be the leader and I’d be instructed as to what I should play. I would have to fit into whatever concept he wanted to lay down. It’s a different thing again, because he’s much more of a jazz-based kind of musician. The Cream was really a jazz group, a jazz-rock group – and the jazz part of it was what I didn’t like.
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11-10-2018 11:53 PM
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Yeah, “jazz” was a word loosely employed in the 60s, especially by people who didn’t play it, and didn’t like it....
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Originally Posted by Kirk Garrett
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Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
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Originally Posted by Kirk Garrett
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In the early 60s Baker and Bruce would also have been exposed to the work of guys like Joe Harriott who placed every instrument centre stage, where at times a series of highly talented people played "solos" at the same time - interplay being the name of the game. Much of Cream's extended live work can be read in this light.
Harriott's three albums - Freeform, Abstract and Movement were part of the "cool" scene in which Baker and Bruce had certainly been immersed.
Does this mean that Cream played jazz? - probably not, but their freestyle, freeform application was clearly innovative in a rock/blues context and probably influenced by guys like Harriott
Originally Posted by Litterick
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Originally Posted by Ray175
Last edited by Litterick; 11-11-2018 at 03:38 PM.
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Originally Posted by Litterick
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Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
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Both Charlie Watts and Ginger Baker were trained as jazz drummers--in the traditional sense. Jack Bruce, a classically trained cellist, played upright bass in jazz bands and moved into the blues scene.
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Wow, 6 pages talking about pop-rock in the gear section of a jazz forum! Princeplanet's post is spot on, IMO.
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Eddie Hazel.
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Originally Posted by Kirk Garrett
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Seems like people need validation for music to be jazz to enjoy and talk about on the forum. I probably agree that players discussed here had very little to do with jazz. But if someone see them as jazzy, or venturing into jazz, I have no problem with that either. All I'm saying music doesn't need to be jazz to be great. Jazz is not the be-all end-all of music, plenty of good stuff outside of it.
And not all music needs to be sophisticated either. Not much sophistication in rocknroll. That's why it's so good!
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Hell yes. Eddie Hazel!
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Originally Posted by Greentone
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Originally Posted by Hep To The Jive
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Maggot Brain has one of the best solos ever.
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Oh, forgot to plug Steve Cropper there.
Steve Cropper!
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Originally Posted by Kirk Garrett
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Originally Posted by Peter C
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I already expressed appreciation for Hendrix in an earlier post, though most of the music discussed here could be termed as "accessible" rock. The fact is that Jimi didn't understand jazz, as he would have been the first to recognize. Btw, your rather condescending tone could easily get you into a scrap, but not with me
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Originally Posted by Peter C
Of "Band of Gypsies - Machine Gun", in the modern jazz guitar forum on facebook Adam Rogers wrote, "One of the greatest performances in music".Last edited by jzucker; 11-12-2018 at 11:48 AM.
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Originally Posted by Greentone
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“Make a Jazz Noise Here”.
An interview with Henry Robinett
Yesterday, 08:49 PM in Everything Else