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01-01-2024, 09:23 AM #226joelf Guest
[QUOTE=Christian Miller;1307144]if you want to see some fine present day examples of that resistance to the new, there’s plenty on JGO. It’s inevitable.
[QUOTE] I don't.
Anyway It's not like I'm doing anything new. I don't claim that. I do things that are me---old, new, whatever. Kurt Rosenwinkel is new to me. It's a language alien to what I do and intrigues me.
If people want to resist stuff, let 'em. But to quote Dizzy Gillespie (about the swing guys scared of and trashing bebop) 'What were they gonna do, hide from the sun?'
However 'new' doesn't necessarily mean great or even good. Plenty of flash in the pans came out with stuff that was soon forgotten. When something lasts that means it's valid, even if it's no longer new.
We shouldn't be so quick to judge is all I mean. I've said it numerous times: Keep the door open---but leave a broom next to it, to sweep away the....(And don't pick up that broom too quickly either. Let the thing marinate a while. You may hear it after a while---if you really want to)...
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01-01-2024 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by joelf
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01-01-2024, 09:45 AM #228joelf GuestOriginally Posted by princeplanet
(I'm here through Thursday. Please tip your waitperson)...
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01-01-2024, 10:07 AM #229joelf Guest
Shifting gears: So what about 'quoting'?
The songs quoted are themselves not new. And if a player plays a quote he heard one of his heros play, and in the same spot in his own 'improvisation' that's not improvising, just copying.
But if a quote comes into your mind in spontaneity and you insert it in a solo, to me it is improvising...
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Originally Posted by CliffR
If you think I am jealous of the archtop owners you are wrong. If I play live I use a Yamaha Pacifica 112SD tele copy I got used rather cheap. I use the cheapest 0.013 to 0.056 set of round-wound strings I can get. I would not mind owning an archtop but I simply cannot afford it ATM. And that's OK. I rather play good music on a cheap instrument than bad music on an expensive instrument.
And I am my own toughest critic. I did not feel it was worth to post my mediocre jazz playing here so far. But after four years of hard work (at least two hours of daily practice ATM) the jazz thing is slowly coming. And I will post some things soon. And I do not want to fish for compliments but I expect you to tear it apart. If you always expect non-violent communication à la Rosenberg you will get nowhere. This was one of my most important lessons in life: Not to become offended by criticism but to seriously look at the content. Is there some truth in it? Something worth working on?
I have played a few hundred shows myself and worked as a lighting tech at a few thousand concerts. I have a high standard of listening. You can look at Spotify or Youtube for my ex-band Les Babacools which I co-founded the band with friends in 1991 and stayed with 10 years. We played big festivals before artists like The Wailers, Jimmy Cliff, Shaggy, Burning Spear, Maceo Parker (who would watch our whole show from backstage), etc. etc. We toured with Fun Loving Criminals twice and with Fishbone once all over Germany. This is where I am coming from and this is where my expectations regarding groove and phrasing come from. And I have been actively listening to jazz for the last 35 years.
Play your music and have fun playing it, which is the most important thing. But do not expect me to dig everybody's playing.
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Originally Posted by joelf
actually you could build a whole approach to playing jazz just using quotes. Sometimes I wonder if that’s what Bird did and we just haven’t been able to track down where all the quotes come from….
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
Great idea to build a whole jazz approach on quotes.
Ever tried to play the first phrase of Green Day's Basket Case over the first two chords of A Train LOL? (You have to adapt some notes to the whole tone scale.)
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Originally Posted by Bop Head
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Originally Posted by CliffR
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Originally Posted by AllanAllen
Originally Posted by Bop Head
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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Originally Posted by AllanAllen
In the past few years I don’t in general critique anything anyone posts unless they are paying me to teach them (or ask specifically) and even then I try to address the underlying cause of the issue rather than just saying ‘your timing sucks’ or whatever.
I might comment to reinforce what I think is a good point. if I recognise something I like then I will comment on it.
as for other pro players famous or not, I realised a few years back that criticising them just makes me look bad tbh. It’s best to try to work towards something I like in my own playing, rather than criticising other musicians for being something other than that. That’s the best way of using my critical listening and aesthetic sense.
Lastly I would say that it’s quite possible to know an awful lot about jazz and not to have applied any of that knowledge. It takes a lot of work, a lot of work to internalise the info in even one TILFBH video for instance.
Recording (and esp videoing) oneself is a fantastic way of finding out whether or not you can actually do that thing that you thought you could do haha.
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Originally Posted by Bop Head
For what it’s worth I usually like your comments and don’t really care who posts what.
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
One thing that I find happening to myself: I start working on detailed sequences for students and, as I write, I start realizing that I should probably make sure I can do all this stuff too.
Ive had symmetrical scales on my to do list for about a decade and find I never know the simple stuff well enough to feel like I should move on.
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Originally Posted by Bop Head
There's a wide spectrum of ability of folks on this forum, ranging from relative jazz beginners such as myself to serious professionals. I'm happy to receive notes from any, but only really value those from players who have posted their own stuff so I can gauge how much weight to place on their opinions. This is not to downgrade the thoughts of those who are more or less at the same level as myself. On the contrary, it's extremely valuable to hear the opinions of people in a similar position to me. (It goes without saying I hope that the opinions of experts are also extremely valuable.) Sounds like you and I have spent a similar amount of time learning jazz specifically and perhaps you have more experience prior to that in playing guitar in other genres. Great. Maybe you have constructive things to say to myself and others.
But let's hear you play. Not sure why you think the number of concerts you've worked on lighting lends you any authority. My brother's neighbour used to date Tom Baker, but that doesn't mean I know anything about time travel or Daleks.
Glad to hear though that you consider Martin Taylor 'bearable'.
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Originally Posted by Bop Head
One thing to keep in mind, once you do post, be thankful if you get a like, and even more thankful is anyone at all takes the time to comment. A thread about improv is overrated can go on for 10 pages, but put a clip of yourself in the showcase section and it's met with crickets.
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Originally Posted by pamosmusic
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Originally Posted by AllanAllen
I’m sure that’s just an impression tho.
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01-01-2024, 12:53 PM #244joelf Guest
If anyone critiques me I'll kill 'em
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You're gonna have to figure out how to post a video first Joel . (Hit me up privately if I can help you with this.)
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01-01-2024, 12:58 PM #246joelf GuestOriginally Posted by CliffR
Inquiring minds...
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01-01-2024, 01:01 PM #247joelf GuestOriginally Posted by CliffR
'They say it's idiot-proof, but I found a way to beat it'---John Eckert...
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01-01-2024, 01:03 PM #248joelf GuestOriginally Posted by AllanAllen
AMAZING!!
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
I've posted scores of clips on here, and I'm a solid C+ jazz player at best. I have gotten incredibly helpful comments every time. Many were encouraging, finding the one commendable feature in the whole clip and showing me that I need to build on THAT; but negative remarks identifying my weaknesses have always been civil, even if incisive, and I"ve appreciated it.
We should not fall into false dichotomies that someone there is only sycophancy or "violent" speech. There is a whole world in between of helpful, accurate, constructive criticism.
I think most on this forum have that knack and that's why I post my clips: I want to be better, or at least suck less.
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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