Musical Memory - The elephant in the room...

[emanresu]

It'd be fun to see anyone actually try to map everything about musical memory.
That'd be one massive job. I mean, consider how many questions those mere 12 notes can raise alone, without including any theory, tone & rhythm.

Would be helpful.. But then again, we've been doing ( well, they ) insane amount of great quality music without even knowing why minor chord is sad and why major chord is happy.

[princeplanet]

It'd be fun to see anyone actually try to map everything about musical memory.
That'd be one massive job. I mean, consider how many questions those mere 12 notes can raise alone, without including any theory, tone & rhythm.

Would be helpful.. But then again, we've been doing ( well, they ) insane amount of great quality music without even knowing why minor chord is sad and why major chord is happy.

Yes, well "they" can't even tell us what general memory is, or where it resides, let alone "Musical" memory, so yeah, still early days ...

As for Music Psychology (again, very early days...), it seems way more concerned with "how" we respond to musical stimuli as opposed to "why". I've often wondered if those primal tribes in the deep Amazon jungle (as yet unspoilt by western modernity) were played a major and minor chord, would they ascribe any different emotion to either?

[emanresu]

I meant more from a practicing musician standpoint. That's probably doable right now without fancy machinery.
Pretty much list all the "r u able to ... ?" questions that a "flawless improvising" musician should truthfully answer "yes, could do it while asleep".

The comment about major and minor was just to troll around for fun

[emanresu]

Ok. Lets carry on.
My little comment about minor and major is very much on topic and probably a bit overlooked detail in musical memory.
Musical memory - jazz or any other - is so special that without pondering about what the hell is going on with the emotions tied to specific harmonic events, all what's left is "what note goes where".

[grahambop]

[emanresu]

Elephants are the best.

[Eck]

I think a whole lot can be learned but it's mostly what you memorise and how. In one of the examples above there is substitution I didn't know about so I'd have to play it and then figure out to what chord both original (G7 min or not, and Asus) relate. Like when an F is replaced by an F-jimmy I immediately think about the Cm. al the theory is only to get us started until we know which patterns ( in muscle memory) relate to feelings ( is that emotional memory). Goes for chord progression and lines. The other thing I think is the more you work at it the shorter your melodic patterns become and the seams really disappear.
So that computer better get back to accounting


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[Marinero]

Interesting video, Graham,

Elephants have an IQ comparable with Chimpanzees. The animal was cleared "moved" by the music. What conclusion we can make is uncertain. However, the first known musical instruments were bone flutes dating 42K years ago found in the caves of Lascaux in Southern France. Good playing . . . Marinero

[pauln]

My post about the elephant in the forum seems to have become just a memory.