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The C7 is an embellishment
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09-25-2018 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by don_oz
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Oh classic Honeysuckle with ii vs then
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well in my opinion bud accidentally played the wrong changes, and he clearly meant rhythm bridge
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that was a joke.
anyway, mongomery ward bridge and honeysuckle bridge means the same thing? i had a teacher who called the rhythm turnaround an “ice cream turnaround” is that a thing or was he starting to lose his mind?
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Originally Posted by joe2758
I thought "ice cream changes" were I vi ii V. (Aka, the A section of RC, not the B.)
I think "Montgomery Ward bridge" and "Honeysuckle Rose bridge" are synonymous. I think the RC bridge is also known as the "Sears & Roebuck bridge."
Supposedly, Charlie Parker's "Scrapple from the Apple" was the first bop tune written over a "Honeysuckle" A section and a RC B section.
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Originally Posted by joe2758
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im going to make a turnaround called “The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation Turnaround”
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Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
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Originally Posted by christianm77
Montgomery Ward was a large department store chain. (Long gone now.)
Sears & Roebuck was too. It became just Sears later and is a minor player now.
In my mom's generation, a Sears catalog was known as a "wish book." (You look at it and ponder all the things you wish you could buy but you can't, still, it's fun to look and dream...)
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so tying this in with the topic, i think i’ll start doing scale outlines for honeysuckle bridge along woth my rhythm changes and maybe i’ll start hearing it since all i listen to is bebop and apparently it’s all over the place! thanks osmond et al!
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I7 up and down, IV up and down, II7 up and down, V7 up and down correct?
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I hadn’t heard of ice cream changes. The Montgomery ward/sears roebuck names I had heard of although personally I would talk somebody through a tune by saying ‘rhythm changes A honeysuckle B’ - clear to anyone with a basic repetoire.
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christian can you confirm the above
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Originally Posted by joe2758
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ugh sorry to be a pest, but should the IV have the #4 scale degree? I know he does that sometimes. for example play cmaj scale from F to E
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Nah, not to my ears. It’s preceded by a I7 so it’s like - new key
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An example of where it could be done is the Dbmaj7 in All the Things - it’s part of the key and not prepared by a secondary dominant.
But - these things are up for experimentation and subbing etc.
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ok got it and like autumn leaves or whatever
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Whatever
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Originally Posted by joe2758
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Who calls it the Trane turnaround?
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Originally Posted by christianm77
Chord Progressions for Songwriters - Richard J. Scott - Google Books
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Blues at 200 bpm.
RC at 200
Thanks for letting me participate here, nobody studies this stuff on my instrument, thus I'm here.
I've done Blues and RC in all keys and now working on dominant half step rules plus 5 4 3 2 in all keys. Slow improv in each key for now to get these more into my hands and mind.
We REALLY need a Barry icon belowLast edited by Petimar; 09-25-2018 at 09:30 PM.
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great work, Pete!
Getting hung up on rhythms when transcribing
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