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You know Sheryl (BailEY, BTW) is my friend and neighbor, a very sweet gal and hell of a guitar player, but I'm not sure I like that title so much. It sort of sounds like 'in so-and-so steps you will master such-and-such'. No such animal.Probably she didn't quite mean it that way.
Originally Posted by rlrhett
Knowing Sheryl and the quality of her playing and teaching I know the content is worthwhile, but that title? I just don't know...Last edited by fasstrack; 10-02-2016 at 04:10 PM.
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Listen to early Dizzy, like at Minton's. If he ain't playing Roy, my name isn't.... Originally Posted by christianm77
Mud? (;
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I don't want to hijack this into a "Barry Harris 5-4-3-2" thread, but I have a quick question:
I found this YT of Barry Harris teaching his 5-4-3-2 phrases. I admit I'm a little confused. Except in the final example where he has the students string all three phrases together, he appears to always start the phrase on the "G" or 5. Am I hearing that wrong?
For example, my ears are telling me that 4 phrase is G-F-D-Eb-E. Likewise 3 seems to be G-F-E-Bb-B-D. But I understood from earlier posts that the 5 phrase was used when you hit the 5 of the chord/scale you were playing, the 4 on the 4th, etc.
Can anyone help me sort this out?
Thanks
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In the simple English of guitarist Sid Jacobs, "scale step from above, chromatic from below ... Mozart or Joe Pass? " Originally Posted by fasstrack
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Yes but sometimes i tend to abuse of it , i think it's powerful when used moderately ! Originally Posted by NSJ
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Originally Posted by NSJ
I think he means if you want to end your idea on the 3rd then play in C major Originally Posted by fasstrack
F (next note in scale above target note "scale step from above", 4)
D (2 chromatic or half steps below target "double chromatic from below", 2)
Eb( 1 chromatic or half step below target, b3)
E (the target note, 3)
And if I read correctly from another post, you may not want to play the first note (the 4th note based on the chord) on a downbeat in bebop phrasing. I hope I am getting this right.
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No knock on Sheryl Bailey. The title is a part of a series from Truefire. I'm sure that is not her doing (or the doing of many of the artist on Truefire). Originally Posted by fasstrack
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Wow. This is Greek to me, and way too taxing for my addled brain. Originally Posted by Bobby Marshall
I appreciate the time and effort, though. Thank you.
I just cannot think in such a complicated fashion and admit I'm not all that analytical about playing. Composing, maybe, when processing new concepts. Even then I try to internalize the essence, not the nomenclature. Everyone has different learning styles.
All I know how to do playing is to follow my melodic instincts and try to hear the time the bass player and/or drummer is laying down. Seems to work...
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It's a True-Fire Course and there a lot of them titled that way: 50 Bebop / Jazz / Hard Bop / Jump Blues / Western Swing (and so on) Licks You MUST Know. All genre have idiomatic licks. Sheryl's course is a good place to learn a lot of fine bebop licks (and how those licks work). Originally Posted by fasstrack
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Indeed. It's amazing how many licks Wolfgang stole from Joe. Originally Posted by NSJ
In the simple English of guitarist Sid Jacobs, "scale step from above, chromatic from below ... Mozart or Joe Pass? "
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Glad to hear. She would never be that corny or self-congratulatory... Originally Posted by rlrhett
Last edited by fasstrack; 10-02-2016 at 06:07 PM.
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Just purchased pasquale's master class part 2 , very interessting how he derives bebopish devices just from diatonic triads !
but i was expecting him to talk about this whole deal of 54321 !
where can i learn more about this guys , apart from the youtube random barry harris vids ?
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Donald Byrd used to come to the Local 802 Jazz Foundation jam session in the 90s. Originally Posted by christianm77
He said one time out of the blue
"Miles Davis heard Sweets (Edison) play with a mute one night, and started doing it after that.
Thief'...
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Jazz School Online - Barry Harris Workshop Video Originally Posted by mooncef
Howard Rees has published three DVD/Workbook sets of Barry Harris workshops. A lifetime of study.
Full disclosure, Howard is my publisher.
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The Barry Harris DVD/workbook sets are worth their weight in gold. It's all there. Originally Posted by mooncef
Got to attend one of Barry's classes in NYC two weeks ago and got him to sign my copy. Total fanboy moment.
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Roni Ben-hur is a Harris guy as well. His book, "Talk Jazz Guitar" is based on Harris improv material https://www.amazon.com/Mel-Talk-Jazz.../dp/0974494321
Is anyone familiar with it and know how it lines up with other Harris material?Last edited by matt.guitarteacher; 10-03-2016 at 06:38 AM.
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It's nice that Barry is getting the appreciation he deserves in the UK. People seem to be getting hip to his ideas.
I remember 10 years ago there were four or five people in his class when he came over.
I used to mention BH stuff and people had no idea who he is.
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Roni's book is excellent and one of the few that I work with regularly. It's based on Barry's teachings and includes a number of topics that you'll encounter in BH's materials - the rules for adding half-steps to scales, enclosures (surrounding notes), the sixth diminished scales in single-note form etc. Originally Posted by matt.guitarteacher
Roni has a couple of instructional videos available at Jazz Guitar Classes | Mike's Master Classes entitled 'Anatomy of a Tune', in which he shows you how to analyse the structure of a tune a la Barry, play the scales for the tune and begin to turn that knowledge into phrases and a solo.
'How High the Moon' - Anatomy of a Tune - Be-bop Style | Lesson by Roni Ben-Hur | Mike's Master Classes
'Confirmation' - Confirmation | Lesson by Roni Ben-Hur | Mike's Master Classes
The other videos by Roni on that site are extracted from his 'Chordability' DVD - it works out a LOT cheaper to just buy the DVD.Last edited by David B; 10-03-2016 at 10:21 AM.
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Thanks, David. Originally Posted by David B
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I've been to a bunch of Barry Harris workshops, they are always great.
If you're expecting to go to one and having a whole system illuminated and spelled out for you, you're going to be sorely disappointed.
You show up, tune up, and buckle in... he goes over whatever he feels like that day, and you have to pick it up mostly by ear and deciphering his explanations.
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So, I had this idea to see if I could pull phrases similar to the 5-4-3-2 that can be jumbled and re-worked in the same way. I looked at a random solo in the Charlie Parker Omnibook (the first one) and was able to find little 2 beat or so phrases that start on each degree of the scale. I can't wait to try it out! Seems like it could lead to some cool stuff.
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Worldwide, actually. Originally Posted by christianm77
Barry def has his 'ways'---I'll leave it like that---but is a very great man (I mean aside from music). No one has done for jazz musicians what he has in NY. I know this from personal experience going back at least to 1982.
I consider him like a 2nd father...
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I'm very tempted but it's a pricy investment for now :/ can you convince me how much it's realy worth it ? Originally Posted by David B
The Barry Harris DVD/workbook sets are worth their weight in gold. It's all there.
Got to attend one of Barry's classes in NYC two weeks ago and got him to sign my copy. Total fanboy moment.
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Do it. Originally Posted by mooncef
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They're worth it. Originally Posted by mooncef
Sample 1:
The Barry Harris Workshop Video ? Howard Rees' Jazz Workshops
Sample 2:
The Barry Harris Workshop Video Part 2 ? Howard Rees' Jazz Workshops
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