What do you play on Footprints turnaround?

[Mick-7]

What does this mean? Is it a 9th chord, sharp 9.... augmented?

+ sign is sometimes used for # (+9 = #9).

[pamosmusic]

What does this mean? Is it a 9th chord, sharp 9.... augmented?

From the context of the whole post they mean #9.

In general, the + has fallen a bit out of favor as an alternative for “#” for this reason. Easily confused with augmented.

[mr. beaumont]

It definitely is a turnaround. It's a turnaround into the ii chord and since it's a modal tune , the ii (Dm7) D F A chord is simply the 9-11-13 of the Cm7.

So it's effectively a 3-6-2-5 into the 2.

That's the best I've heard it explained...

It always drove me a little batty...like, why does it want to resolve a step higher than "home?"

[Mick-7]

From the context of the whole post they mean #9.

In general, the + has fallen a bit out of favor as an alternative for “#” for this reason. Easily confused with augmented.

I've seen it used as a synonym for "augmented," in this case augmented 9th (+9 or #9). So an augmented (#5th) 9th chord would be: A9+ not A7+9/A7#9 - but as you said, confusing either way.

[rpjazzguitar]

That's the best I've heard it explained...

It always drove me a little batty...like, why does it want to resolve a step higher than "home?"

The chords seem to be heading to Dm, but, no, they're heading to Cm.

Hard to think of this as a "turnaround" in the usual sense of that term.

[jzucker]

The chords seem to be heading to Dm, but, no, they're heading to Cm.

Hard to think of this as a "turnaround" in the usual sense of that term.

Re read the post he quoted. It's a turaround

[AllanAllen]

Thanks everyone. I thought + always meant #5. Unfortunately, this means I biffed a bunch of chords on my big band gig.

[jzucker]

Thanks everyone. I thought + always meant #5. Unfortunately, this means I biffed a bunch of chords on my big band gig.

+ does mean #5. There's no nomenclature I've ever seen where + means #9.

[rpjazzguitar]

Re read the post he quoted. It's a turaround

Not sure which post this refers to.

[Mick-7]

Thanks everyone. I thought + always meant #5. Unfortunately, this means I biffed a bunch of chords on my big band gig.

I was responding to post #8:

" F#7+9 / F7+9 / | E7+9 / Eb7+9 /|

That's the version we used to use. Same #9 voicing, built in 4ths, moved chromatically downwards, which is a cool sound."

It implies he meant 7#9 chords (not F9+) but he may have meant: #9, #5/b13th (on top), because it has stacked 4ths.

F#7#5#9
x-9-8-9-10-10 (#5 on top, root in bass)

F#7#9b13
9-x-8-9-10-10 (b13 on top, 5th in bass)

[jzucker]

Not sure which post this refers to.

this one:

It definitely is a turnaround. It's a turnaround into the ii chord and since it's a modal tune , the ii (Dm7) D F A chord is simply the 9-11-13 of the Cm7.

So it's effectively a 3-6-2-5 into the 2.

[mr. beaumont]

It's definitely a turnaround, it's a blues!

[Christian Miller]

Waynes version (bearing in mind the tune was reworked in rehearsal)


NRB has
F#m11b5 | F13#11 | E7alt | A7alt |

The US harmonic movement is noice as it often is with Wayne

E(addb6) --> G(addb6) --> Bb(add#4) --> F(addb6) or C(add#4)

But you know, I should probably check out what Wayne does. It won't be that.

It's interesting when you look at older charts... new charts often reflect the melody in the extensions. Often the composer's autographs don't actually do this.

[Christian Miller]

It's interesting how satisfying that move from A7alt to Cm feels, isn't it? Who'd have thunk it?

[grahambop]

Interesting that on his own version (on Adam’s Apple), Wayne basically just plays the melody (with some embellishments) during his solo on those sections.

I find playing Cm pentatonic over the A7 bit works quite well, sort of prepares the return to Cm.

[Christian Miller]

Interesting that on his own version (on Adam’s Apple), Wayne basically just plays the melody (with some embellishments) during his solo on those sections.

I find playing Cm pentatonic over the A7 bit works quite well, sort of prepares the return to Cm.

Yeah I remembered him doing that.

It's not much discussed, but in fact an incredibly prevalent move to simply quote or paraphrase the melody over difficult changes.

It happens a lot!

[ragman1]

According to this transcription they first play:

F#m7b5 - F7#11 - Em7b5 - A7#9

and then it changes on the solos:

F#mb5 - F7#11 - E7#11 - A7alt

(occasionally the A7alt becomes an A7#9)

[pamosmusic]

According to this transcription they first play:

F#m7b5 - F7#11 - Em7b5 - A7#9

and then it changes on the solos:

F#mb5 - F7#11 - E7#11 - A7alt

(occasionally the A7alt becomes an A7#9)

Look at the piano right hand on the F#m7b5 though … and the actual voicings in the rest

[AllanAllen]

You know what grinds my gears... alt chord symbols in changes. Every other chord symbol is exact notes except the alt chord.

[mr. beaumont]

According to this transcription they first play:

F#m7b5 - F7#11 - Em7b5 - A7#9

and then it changes on the solos:

F#mb5 - F7#11 - E7#11 - A7alt

(occasionally the A7alt becomes an A7#9)

Can we just pause for a minute and acknowledge how insanely good Tony Williams is on this recording?

[ragman1]

Look at the piano right hand on the F#m7b5 though … and the actual voicings in the rest

I saw that and it's all very obscure :-)

[BreckerFan]

It's not much discussed, but in fact an incredibly prevalent move to simply quote or paraphrase the melody over difficult changes.

It happens a lot!

I've been working on toy tune recently and Wayne does it there too. Crazy harmony and then just plays the melody. Absolutely diabolical.

[ragman1]

What I want to know - and which we'll probably never know - is why Wayne decided to write the 3-6-2-5 of Dm instead of Cm. My theory is he was

a) trying to be different
b) trying to wind up Miles
c)

Answers on a postcard.

[pamosmusic]

What I want to know - and which we'll probably never know - is why Wayne decided to write the 3-6-2-5 of Dm instead of Cm. My theory is he was

a) trying to be different
b) trying to wind up Miles
c)

Answers on a postcard.

Well we’re talking about Wayne here so … no need for him to try all that hard to be different

But you certainly can’t rule out option B

[ragman1]

I thought B too. This'll wake 'em up :-)