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i too bought all those books with multitudes of black dots all over the pages. you know, scales & modes til you realize you really can't follow the dots the same way every time, in any key, in tempo. so, i figured out a way to solo without applying theory/thinking while doing it. there are 4 places on the guitar neck where you can solo in any major key including it's relative minor. (3 places in the key of "B") i recently did a jazznight at the local library which is on youtube. (youtube jim roland library jazz) will take you to three segments of me & my bass player plus three local amateur girls. it's a bit folksy-no real rehearsal or editing, but you'll see & hear me using this system.
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03-19-2015 09:44 AM
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Are you just using scale box structures to play thru?
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If the dots on a grid training wheel aren't working for you checkout Nir Felder's lesson video over on MyMusicMasterClasses website it's an inexpensive lesson. I'd say it's for serious guitarist only.
Nir Felder - Guitar Lesson (1) - My Music Masterclass
Nir says the dots on a grid just didn't click for him so he started by learning his major scales on one string. Then moving to each string. Part of process was also learning to name every note on the fretboard from end to end on all strings. As he say all other instruments the player know all the notes on they instrument, but guitarist including some advanced players don't know the notes on their instrument. He practices playing scales using full range of the neck changing string anywhere at any time. He move on to intervals and other exercises.
Now it gets tough and an exercise I keep seeing popup more and more on improv sites. What to do is think of a chord, now just play random notes on the neck. First name the note, then name the scale degree it is related to the chord. I just thought use a looper and have to chord playing while doing this and now your getting your ear trained with the scale degree. Boy adding ten minutes of that to your daily warmup will definitely make you a Ninja master of the guitar with ear, hand, and chord relationship internalized in about a year or so.
Okay I got work to do....
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Noodling in major key positions won't get you making chord changes...
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I wonder if anyone ever posts on physics chat groups about how they've figured out a way to do the math without having to read all those squiggles. The no theory approach to physics.
To me no theory equates to no understanding.
A disclaimer. I teach Harmony & Theory as well as Ear Training at MI so I am obviously biased on this point.Last edited by setemupjoe; 03-19-2015 at 03:28 PM.
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Originally Posted by larry "K"
These girls got no training at all. They followed a deeper "instruction" and now they are acknowledged by the most literate of musicians.
Do your own dots.
David
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hello al; no i'm using chord scale positions to freely pick the notes at. best way to communicate with me is to send me an email from your email. or call me at 262-720-7022, or i can call you. i always like to talk to other players. larry
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As a lazy amateur I'm always looking for shortcuts, but any system that doesn't at least consider chord tones is likely to result in "noodley"solos. My scales & modes books are gathering dust, but arpeggios are indispensible.
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I checked out the video...straight to the point, I'm not hearing anything that make me recommend this idea.
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Originally Posted by setemupjoe
Yes, I find that you mostly get the "no theory approach" with 'arts' based subjects, because they're open to being very subjective.
As an Engineer, I've never met any "no theory approach" Engineers on projects.
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I have never heard music like the Shaggs before...how did I miss this group!
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Originally Posted by GuyBoden
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Originally Posted by GuyBoden
Seems to have worked out here. Some tenant wanted their ceiling cleaned and they didn't have a ladder. The engineers came up with a novel solution.
THAT's thinking outside the box
DavidLast edited by TH; 03-19-2015 at 05:24 PM.
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Mark - I assume MI is Musicians' Institute? A question. I have always felt that if I were trying to teach serious students jazz, that I would make heavy use of notation software, essentially requiring students to use something like Sibelius. Do you guys make significant use of notation software as a core requirement?
Jay
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Nope. Jazz is ear music. Pen and paper and a guitar/piano are just fine.
You can't learn jazz sitting at a computer. It's live organic music, the only way to really learn it is to play with others.
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Originally Posted by targuit
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Notation software is for notating, not for learning jazz
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Originally Posted by nick1994
It's not for learning jazz. No. But it can be helpful in learning to be a more complete musician. File under: survival skills.
I'll add an anecdotal note. There's a local guy here, sax player named Jerry Bergonzi. He plays jazz and has a regular thing in a little venue. A big part of his development and evolution as a musician and improvisor is the distribution of his pieces and contrafacts, which he hands out weekly to his band members in their own individual parts.
He was a good musician before he had that ability on Sibelius, and it's only made his having a great band easier.
David
Maybe this discussion might have its own thread? Aside from a discussion of little dots, it's a little off topic of the OP's thoughts.Last edited by TH; 03-20-2015 at 05:18 AM.
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
David
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Originally Posted by TruthHertz
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there are 4 places on the guitar neck where you can solo in any major key including it's relative minor
is it not more simple and more fun to really invetigate and master the instrument istead of inventing tricks to avoid it?
plus three local amateur girlsLast edited by Jonah; 03-20-2015 at 06:34 AM.
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Yeah Jerry's thing is good(obviously because its worked for him and he's a monster).
I write out tunes every week and print it out and hand it to my buddies which started a "mini-game" where we write tunes or contrefacts each time and play them. I'm not Jerry but just want to add that its a great exercise.
All the best Larry with your approach - sorry I'm not really contributing to your thread!
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Originally Posted by nick1994
David
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Originally Posted by TruthHertz
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
Mr. B, what do you think about using writing as a tool on the primary level? When I was teaching younger kids, I had a white board and it was a game of make/sing a tune that the students did collectively, like refrigerator poetry. It reenforced the visual/aural/creative aspects of music and as a game, they learned from one another...and they learned to improvise. I think visual notation does have a place in the foundations of jazz education.
As one option anyway...there is no gospel, just the clumsy efforts of inspired teachers.
David
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