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I am transcribing a Scofield tune and he uses a scale with these notes. I can't figure it out. It was over a D #11 chord
D Eb F# G# A# B
Let me know if you know what it is.
THanks!!!
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04-17-2012 12:29 AM
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Might it be the altered scale? if so is it common to use it over a #11 chord? I always thought the lydian dominant was the go to scale for #11.
Last edited by S_R_S5; 04-17-2012 at 12:56 AM.
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Man from my transcribing I have figured that Sco plays all sorts of stuff that doesn't fit the "normal" CST practice at all.
In this case I'm not sure what he's playing scale-wise. It's NOT a D altered scale either because that doesn't contain a B (the natural 6th). It seems to be the 7th mode of the HARMONIC minor. That is he's playing an Eb harmonic minor but leaving out the F.
And yes the lydian dominant is the "go to" scale for 7#11 chords. But a diminished scale would also fit nicely.
I guess you could interpret the #11 as a b5 in which case you can play an altered or whole tone scale. But in most cases this would not sound right al all.Last edited by aniss1001; 04-17-2012 at 02:45 AM.
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I wouldn't say he's playing a scale. One or more of those notes should probably just be thought of as passing tones. Depends on the context of the lick.
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Can we have the rest of the chords? Any more info?
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I don't believe this is from any commonly-used scale. There are a couple of scales with those notes in my book but they're extremely exotic.
Originally Posted by S_R_S5
One way to think of it would be by noticing that:
D Eb F# is part of the D half-whole diminished
G# A# B is part of the D whole-half diminished
Perhaps the second batch of notes is a side-slip (he's playing a half-whole diminished pattern and side-slips it down a fret halfway through). If the lick is quite fast this might be a more likely explanation than that he chose the notes individually.
This is just a guess: I'm constantly amazed by the things Sco comes up with and don't pretend to have any idea what he was actually thinking there...
Can you let us know which tune & where this lick appears so we can observe the beast in its natural environment?
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Eb harmonic minor: Eb (F) Gb Ab Bb Cb D Eb
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<Slaps own forehead> That'll be the one. I blindly assumed the missing note was between the B and the D. Silly boy. Originally Posted by M-ster
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Hehe... that's what I wrote in the very 1st reply to this thread Originally Posted by Rich Cochrane
Did you miss my post?
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+1 Originally Posted by M-ster
sure Eb harmonic minor...
Eb melodic minor usually used over D7#11 has same notes only C/6 step/
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The song is Not You Again. The chords are the same as there will never be another you.
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Hmm... strange... it's like you're ignoring my posts entirely. Did I insult you in any way in some previous thread?
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Who is ignoring your post? me?
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Hehe well it sorta seemed like it but no worries Originally Posted by S_R_S5
BTW I recently transcribed most of that solo too. Great one. I just love Sco when he's playing standard stuff. Doesn't get any better than that
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I love his phrasing. His sound is eh, but he does a great job at making me feel inferior. lol
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Hmm... what does "eh" mean?? (sorry if it seems like a dumb question but I haven't got a clue) Originally Posted by S_R_S5
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Eh, like the sound. I don't like his sound much.
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Ah ok! I love it. Except for his 80s heavy chorus sound. Originally Posted by S_R_S5
However he changes his sound all the time. On this particular album (Works for me) his sound is very strange indeed. It seems like he's playing with the BRIDGE pickup (?) the entire album. And it's so dry. I actually didn't like that particular sound to begin with but it grew on me and now I love it too.
But you don't like his sound in general or on that particular album? I mean check out some different stuff. He really changes it a lot.
For instance check out his sound on this Roy Haynes' version of "That old feeling":
http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/That+Old+Feelin/3fI9hk?src=5
...Which is another solo I transcribed recently. Here he is playing with a more traditional sound. Very nice.
And how about his sound on albums such as "Time on my hands", "Meant to be" and "Hand jive"??Last edited by aniss1001; 04-18-2012 at 12:07 AM.
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Its not all bad, but the cds: works for me and bump are both odd. His traditional guitar sound is nice.
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Ok. Different strokes I guess
His sounds on the albums I mentioned are some of the nicest sounds ever created on a guitar IMO. But that's just me
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How many scofield tunes have you transcribed?
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Scof sound is different because he wanted to be different.
He use Ibanez As-200 to create his own sound and style.
He do not want to sound like 1000 guitarists playing arch-top boxes.
Now evrybody recognize his sound and this is big plus for him.
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Good point Kris.
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I'll ask him about the scale....on the 25th I'll be attending a JAzz Lives concert in Toronto..that he is headlining!
Well doubt I'll get to meet him.
I just got into his playing.....as a neat cosmic twist I just bought a Ibanez AS73 that looks like his guitar....didn't even think about it... loved the way it played and got it for $360 new.
What should I look for (listen) ?
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great!
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