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To Become a well round jazz guitarist able to play great solos,comping,Chord melody
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05-06-2011 08:51 AM
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Very easily,at first your Happy cuz yor soloing over changes easily, and you know the how to play in any key in any postion with ease. But then you start to relize it's very vanilla sounding. Thats how !
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PS you can hear me play on youtube and tell me what you think
search for kidpoker007
Watch either Jazzrock, Ford or jazzyblues. Don't really have any bebop tunes up yet, but may try There will never be another you
Thx
Ken
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I guess what I was getting at is are you a hobbiest or do you want to be the next Pat Metheny? Are you happy playing all the things you are and satin doll with buddies or do you want to move to NY and be in the scene?
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Well i'm to old to be the next PM, but want to play out in clubs
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the best advice I can give anyone who is serious about improvisation is to do what I said earlier:
Classes are fine but nothing beats copying the masters.i would advise you to spend more time copying joe pass, wes montgomery, pat martino and george benson and less time in online guitar classes and forums.
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I find G'007's complaint about Jimmy Bruno a bit bizarre. Most students wonder what a great player thinks and how they organize the fretboard when they study improv. Jimmy lays out exactly how he thinks and plays. His phrasing of course comes from years of playing and is not guaranteed with the course, ... I would think if you have three years of JB instruction under your belt, transcribing Bruno should be very easy and a good compliment to his course because the approach is known in advance.
I agree with Jack that transcribing is the key to learning how to sound like jazz, transcribing Jimmy Bruno would be a logic start point for G'007.Last edited by Jazzaluk; 05-06-2011 at 12:24 PM.
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i wouldn't transcribe Jimmy Bruno after taking his course. Diversify and transcribe the masters. I love Jimmy and he's a great player but look at the guys who's work is studied by the great players like Martino copying Wes and Johnny Smith or Benson copying Wes or Grant Green or Wes copying Charlie Christian or Grant Green or Dan Wilson copying Benson, Wes and Grant Green or Rodney Jones copying Wes and Benson.
Look at who they study at the big guitar programs at Berklee, University of Miami, New School, etc. They are studying Wes, Benson, Martino, and some of the modern guys.
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Jack, do you think it's better for someone starting out to focus more on guitarists for transcribing, or should they branch out to other instruments quickly?
A lot of my first transcriptions were Paul Desmond and Hank Mobley stuff--most of the guitarists I liked were moving too fast for my ears!
Just wondering what you think...I can rationalize benefits to both...
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i think that's a good point. I did both and went through periods where I wanted to sound more like a horn player or pianist than a guitarist. As long as you are "stretching" your ears to learn new ideas I think both are good.
Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
However, I'm kind of hesitant to recommend the various private "schools" that have sprung up as money making ventures for individual artists. If you're going to take courses, do it at a real school where you're interacting with real musicians. Or get a private instructor.
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I suck at transcribing, was never that good even in blues and rock, so jazz even even more difficult to transcribe. Although i have many books on bebop lines.
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when I say transcribe I really mean copy. I don't feel it's necessary to write the stuff out. (Wes and Benson certainly didn't...) But the act of copying is very powerful
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Me too...I should really just stick to saying "Cop." Originally Posted by jzucker
Not that writing things out is bad or a waste of time. I just cut to the chase, as practice time is limited...for a beginner, taking one or two really awesome solos and writing it out can show you a lot about how to build a solo...
However, one thing I've never been too into was learning to play a whole solo start to finish, although I know a lot of greats did this...I always went right for the "Hell Yeah!" moments and tried to assimilate them into my own vocab as soon as possible...
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This is kind of irrelevant. You should cop from the players you like, not the players you are supposed to like. Originally Posted by jzucker
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of course but as a student of music you should also study the generally established "masters" because you will learn and your ear will improve. i.e. what you like and what sounds pleasing to your ear today will be different when your ear improves. Originally Posted by Jazzaluk
To take this to an extreme, what if your tastes run to chuck berry and BB King (nothing wrong with that by the way) but you are trying to become a jazz guitarist? You sometimes have to push yourself. Complex music is an aquired taste. Otherwise, we'd all be listening to Lady Gaga...Last edited by jzucker; 05-06-2011 at 05:17 PM.
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I feel like I am always revamping my practice routine, but my main goal always remains the same: to make music at an exceptional level.
To JackZ, I am curious as to what your opinions are in regards to a practice/playing routine if the goal is to play & improvise Jazz/Rock/Funk. I have a mountain of resources (including SOS I & II), but I always feel like there is a better way to focus my attention when I pick up my instrument.
Lately, I have been making lists of my favorite riffs & solos to transcribe, practicing CAGED, and started re-learning Bach inventions. I am trying to keep it as musical as possible. Anyways, I was interested in what your overall approach was to playing music the way you do (Hyper obsessive practicing or multiple topics spread out over the course of a session).
Thanks.
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aside from studying the greats the number 1 thing that will get you anywhere is to actually get out there and play with other people. We all have to do the grunt work of practicing vocabulary, tunes, chops, time and transcription. A lot of people do that, but when I hear someone playing on the internet for example, youtube or whatever you can tell right away if they have any experience actually making the music or if they are just closet practicers. There isn't a subtle difference either, it's almost automatic that you can tell if they actually get together with other people to jam.
Where you learn to play Jazz is with other people, on the band stand or in the place you jam. No one every learned to play sitting in a practice room, and if someone is looking for inspiration or a way to change up their practice routine, you're going to find it sitting in with better players, organizing your own private sessions and getting gigs (the last one being the hardest, don't we all know).
in the end
* play with others, as often as you can
* listen and learn from the masters
* practice as much as your life will allow it
* always have fun
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Playing is amazing on this video. Anyway to dumb this down a little or maybe you have it on paper somewhere? Found the video explanation goes too fast and a little too advanced or not specific enough for me. Not tryin to put you down, just I'm not at that level. Originally Posted by Reg
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Reg how come you never show us your face man?
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He can't. He's like that magician on TV a while back who wore the mask cause he revealed all the secrets of the tricks. This guy is like him but with Jazz guitar. The whole Jazz world would be angry at him. Originally Posted by Space Pickle
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Yea... who are those guys. I've posted a few videos where I pan up for photo op., I'm make another one. I have to cover college Jury's today... and gig tonight... tomorrow I'll go through modal usage in jazz... slowly with some examples.... and in the full monty. Originally Posted by JNGuitar
I host a Jazz Jam monday night at local club, it's broadcast live on the net, I'll post address, you can check me out live, up close and personal. I lay back a lot... try make players have fun and sound great, it's my job
as host, but I usually cut loose a few times... Reg
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Reg, just a thanks on behalf of the board--you've really put some time into all this free teaching and I know for one I'm grateful!
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I checked out your playing. The main thing I notice is that you play a lot. It's a good thing you are not a horn player. I would sugggest use more space and you will see an immediate improvement, but that is just my preference. I like a solo to breath a little. The bottleneck blues stuff was good. On the jazz stuff you need to work on the phrasing a little more. Like the others said copy the masters. I don't know how long you have been playing, but you have good potential IMO. Originally Posted by guitarplayer007
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Thanks Mr. B. Reg
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As much as Jack and I agree on what "jazz" is, he always has great advice on learning how to play "it". Originally Posted by jzucker
I agree with him 100%, and doing what he says above is the best way to learn "jazz" IMO. Learn what those guys do note for note, then "force" them into different standards over the same chord sequences. After a few weeks, they will start coming out on their own, and in different ways, then they will be your own.
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