View Poll Results: What do you prefer in music, originality or tradition?
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You cannot choose both, and your explanations of how you have/want both are not accepted. It's a tough world.
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01-15-2023 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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Originally Posted by Vihar
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
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Originality...but never at the cost of understanding jazz tradition.
My favorite jazz is when someone can bring something new to i tune ive heard hundreds of times....players who understand and respect the past, but who aren't bound to it.
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Originally Posted by Vihar
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I can't answer the question as asked.
I love traditional music done well. If it grooves, I like it. I also value originality -- but it still has to groove.
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That's not tough, it's a false dichotomy. In every art I'm familiar with, tradition (or convention or the familiar) is in some kind of relationship with "originality"--usually a tension. While there do seem to be frozen or rigid traditions (often connected to some notion of the sacred or to social ritual), the audiences for and generators of living arts engage in a push-pull of the old and the new--the same only different.
A better question might be, "What proportion of the familiar and unfamiliar do you find pleasing or compelling in jazz?" Which doesn't fit an either/or template.
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Originally Posted by RLetson
You can take ALL the tradition you have loved and learned, but do you have the urge, a serious desire to create something original with it or not?
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Originally Posted by Vihar
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Both is genuinely my favorite. Some of the new players who honor the tradition but who shred with new style, I find amazing. Been listening to tradish for a while.
Since your thread is about choosing 1 or the other, I would have to choose traditional. That's where my taste stems from and how most of my playing is.
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"What do you prefer in music, originality or tradition?"
Originally Posted by Vihar
deny that it's really ultimate & primal. I'm
suggesting a substitute for the choices of
originality or tradition, that's authenticity.
Authenticity is transitive in the sense that
it takes an object - authentic with respect
to what? With respect to those very items
listed in the poll - originality and tradition.
Authenticity is respecting the tradition of
the music styles and reflecting one's own
originality, so it's a blend of the two; what
we most highly regard in the best players.
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Originally Posted by pauln
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I don't care about either if you can't play.
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Originally Posted by AllanAllen
Will someone say they don't like either if the musician wears red clothing as well? Come on.
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Then I'll go with tradition since people focused on originality usually can't play very well.
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Nobody actually has to make this choice, but since this is a mind game after all, I’d choose originality. I answered this from the perspective of which would make for a more interesting world to live in, again, if one actually had to choose.
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Originally Posted by Mark Kleinhaut
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Originally Posted by AllanAllen
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Creativity is being original at a high artistic and aesthetic level. Very few people (if any at all) can produce a high artistic and aesthetic output without internalizing a traditional style and language first.
It is true that jazz is about originality but I don't know if there are very many original jazz players who didn't pay their dues to the tradition first.
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I would say originality. The problem with saying originality though is too many players use that as an excuse to abandon tradition. So instead of being original or seeking a voice within a tradition they butcher the traditions and say "but it's original" or "I did my own thing with it".
What now qualifies for the blues genre is a prime example of yo-yos getting carried away with "originality" instead of sticking to originality within a tradition. I found out one day that John Lee Hooker is "Americana" now. Whatever that bullshit is.
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Originally Posted by DawgBone
Folk, Country, Blues, Gospel, Bluegrass and some other musical forms
combined in rural early America during the first half of the last century
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Originally Posted by DawgBone
Your point is very similar to what AllanAllen said about skills. It goes without saying that if you don't like someone's art for whatever reason, you don't have to include them in your preferences.
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Originally Posted by pauln
Big in New Zealand.
Americana is a 21st century combination of those musical forms, which were kept apart in their own time by regional, racial and social divisions, but which are now played internationally.
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There's also a tradition NOT to be original. YouTube is full of videos of people performing other people's solos, even piano players performing Keith Jarrett improvisations note for note in front of audiences.
That's a tradition that has emerged of NOT being original.
I shall aspire to be unoriginal, and not traditionally traditional, but to embrace this new tradition of playing other people's original improvised solos note for note.
I don't deserve making my own music. Maybe, some day. For now, I'll be a nothing. I'll devote myself to rote note for note imitation, which is not the tradition of jazz.
Works for me.
(not serious. seriously)
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