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I just discovered this thread. I’ve owned PfJ since approx. 1975, but never made any headway. Watching/listening to the videos, it makes a lot more sense. So, I’m going to give it a another shot.
Any advice about getting started would be welcome!
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08-16-2019 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Bach5G
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Is there a link to backing tracks? IReal Pro perhaps?
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Originally Posted by Bach5G
If you dig around this thread over at the Ireal forum, you can find a few different posts
Jazz Practice Exercises - Page 22
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Perfect. Thank you.
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Originally Posted by Bach5G
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Originally Posted by Bach5G
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Patterns 56-57 combined - all variations - 8th notes at 120 bpm
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Originally Posted by FwLineberry
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It's interesting 61–62 have lower tempos marked than 60 , but I think on guitar these two may actually be easier.
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61 (about 120bpm)
edit: wrong numberingLast edited by ErikWasser; 08-21-2019 at 09:17 AM.
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Originally Posted by ErikWasser
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Pattern 61 at 150bpm:
Pattern 60 rough, no click:
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I planned to play each pattern twice, first with the root on the A string (3rd fret, C) and second with the root on the G string (5th fret, C). I did okay, I guess, until the second go at the second pattern. So I tried again and again and again. I think it's nearly 90 seconds in all.
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Ok. It's interesting again to me that the variations on these 4ths patterns and 5ths patterns are actually EASIER to me than the original version. This must be a very guitar- specific thing, because, again, the tempo markings are actually lower on these variations. They end up laying out more like variations of 1235 type patterns to my ears/fingers. Anyone else have thoughts on these? Pretty quiet lately... :-)
We're a couple of weeks away from chromatic lower neighbor tone approaches, real "Jazz 101 -type stuff.
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Originally Posted by matt.guitarteacher
If I had to guess, I'd say it's a combination of a coupe factors. Descending 4ths are awkward on the guitar, but on a horn they're just a different fingering. It takes more effort to calculate the interval than it does to play it. I'm betting most horn players who approach this material have probably already messed around with 3rds at least in familiar keys. So the slower tempos would reflect that the other intervals are likely less familiar to the player and a little more taxing on the brain trying to keep track of where you're supposed to be going next.
It will be interesting when I get good enough on the clarinet to make use of this material.
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Originally Posted by matt.guitarteacher
I think it shall prove to be a big deal for me. Hope so! My picking has sucked for longer than any single human being's picking should have to suck. ;o)
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Originally Posted by matt.guitarteacher
I haven't worked with the 5ths (here) yet. I'll make a video of how I play the 4ths either tomorrow or Monday. I'm glad this group is here. And too, I'm glad that it has moved at a liesurely pace. It kept me from throwing in the towel too soon, I think. I think the next 3-6 months will be of great benefit to me. I hope the same proves true for others here.
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Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
My primary take away was that everything varies greatly from person to person, dependending on physiology. I have very much the opposite of Wes's or Reg's kind of double-jointed thumb. The other main takeaway I got from that thread was that I really didn't want to get bogged down in analyzing what my right hand was doing.
I was basically just aiming for a general upward pick slant. I allowed myself permission to change it, even in individual practice sessions etc. I mostly focused on cleaning up my left hand. I've worked on it a lot, and I and it helped tremendously. But I feel like I kinda got the right hand for free. Always felt like it was my left hand that needed catching up.
I guess that angle has gotten more extreme over time. It's kind weird to look at honestly.
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Originally Posted by matt.guitarteacher
As you say, it's about more than the pick---the angle of the wrist and arm, the motion, posture, all of it.
It turns out that the "underhand" approach is very comfortable for me. No stress or tension, easy-peasy, but it wasn't quite the sound I wanted and I found it hard to play medium-fast that way. (I could play tremolo stuff REALLY fast but that's not very important to me. Also, muting is a problem.)
This way, what I call "thumb down" (for lack of a better term) gives me more definition and is better for heads, blues lines, and comping. It also seems more consistent. I think this is what is going to work best for my "day in, day out." God, I hope so!
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Patterns 58 and 59 all variations in 8th notes at 140 bpm
Wow! This set did not want to be born. I finally got it worked up to a decent speed, but kept making too many mistakes to record it all as one drill. I ended up breaking it into four different takes on the same backing track. Topping that off, my stupid camera decided to go out of focus in the middle of a couple of shots, so sorry about that. This is as good as it's getting. It's time to move on to the next set.
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Originally Posted by FwLineberry
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Both patterns in one vid, multiple positions, some false starts. ;o)
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62 at around 140
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Originally Posted by ErikWasser
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