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Discipline-Discipline-Discipline: That's what it's going to take for me to make more music and pander less to full scales. For one the the full scale runs and multiple sweep arpeggios are, shall we say, done, and way too rock and roll for jazz. I use economy picking a lot and some sweeps because that's how I learned to play, but I'm convinced that there's a creative way to use these techniques. I don't like the sound of alternate picking in jazz unless it's on an acoustic playing gypsy jazz or jazz flamenco fusion. Lastly, has anybody else noticed that many of the best players in jazz and rock use mostly legato in their phrasing: In rock I guess they do it for speed but in jazz I suppose it's to sound like a horn: besides the legato I want to learn phrasing from Coltrane, Davis, and others. Do you think I should forget the tab books and try to learn it all by ear? I'm indecisive...
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05-27-2016 11:25 AM
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Learn the major scale in five positions, learn diatonic harmonized chord progressions and arpeggios in each position, record the above and report back in 2-3 years when you've completed this step.
Then ask these questions.
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So, I really am lacking in my tremolo picking, just wasn't thinking about it enough.
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Originally Posted by cosmic gumbo
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And yet when Manouche players do it (and they do do it), it swings....
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Originally Posted by Roscoe T. Claude
Transcribe a solo or learn a bebop head and try to imitate the articulation of someone you like.
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Originally Posted by pamosmusic
The secret of manouche/old school technique as I understand it is actually triplet picking.
D U D D U D D U D
Also, end every phrase on a downstroke.
This illustrates the technique really well. Turns out I was playing this lick wrong haha:
When playing very fast, more like economy picking. But that doesn't take much practice ;-)
IMO GJ picking actually sounds a lot smoother, hornlike and more flowing than alternate picking.Last edited by christianm77; 05-30-2016 at 02:25 PM.
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Originally Posted by Roscoe T. Claude
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that is a guitar sound? on the tremelo picking vid
that is a sound people use to play music????
he is not making that sound because his guitar is horribly busted and someone is forcing him to make the video by threatening to kill him if he doesn't???
its one of the ugliest sounds i've ever heard
thank god i know nothing about rock and its derivatives
thank godLast edited by Groyniad; 05-30-2016 at 03:14 PM.
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Originally Posted by Groyniad
The mechanics that I would use for tremolo picking in a jazz environment would be totally different. But I wouldn't be palm muting.
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ugly had better be the idea
otherwise there is NOTHING to say for it
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I don't think ugly is the idea. There's people who love this kind of tone, rock/metal/punk whatever... On this particular video it's not that great, but the idea is not ugly by any means. There's some mean guitar sounds were produced with distorted tone, and in jazz too! Mean and beautiful.
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05-31-2016, 04:43 PM #13destinytot GuestOriginally Posted by Hep To The Jive
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mean and beautiful is a bit of a stretch - whatever you're talking about
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I posted this in another thread recently, but the (double stop?) tremolo picking at 2:41 seems relevant.
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Originally Posted by christianm77
either way - my point is intact, no?
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Originally Posted by pamosmusic
But as I teach it starts with all downstrokes, and then I allow the student to make upstrokes in special cases. Seems to work.
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"I want to learn phrasing from Coltrane, Davis, and others. Do you think I should forget the tab books and try to learn it all by ear?"
Tab is ok for understanding basics - how to play scales etc.
Transcriptions in standard notation make it readily apparent what is being played over changes.
Recordings give you all the info you need for phrasing - it's too complicated for tabs and standard notation.
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The way I like tremolo when it's got soul.
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Troy Grady on Eddie Van Halen's tremolo picking technique
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Originally Posted by NoReply
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Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
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Actually, for tremolo picking, I find a thin pick is ideal, or at least, it must be flexible...that little "snap" back and forth seems to help me.
Of course, I hardly ever use tremolo picking, and everything else I play sounds like crap with a thin pick, so I won't be switching anytime soon.
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Originally Posted by MarkRhodes
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Originally Posted by christianm77
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