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I think I'd rather watch someone type very quickly....
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09-24-2012 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by JustAGuy
I have heard most of the bands you mention. The guys in those bands have chops and are certainly good players. They tunes are sometimes rhythmically complicated in their own way. And the riffs are not easy to and neither are the solos.
However, in terms of harmonic complexity, in chords and improvisation, jazz is on a different planet. The more you learn about jazz music the more you will realize that.
If you don't believe me, ask any of the best metal/rock players and they'll tell you the same thing.
That doesn't mean that jazz is objectively better or that jazz players are necessarily better guitar players. The dude that gets off spending 8 hours a day developing those skills that it takes to become a shredding virtuoso can do stuff that a jazz virtuoso can't and vice versa. But to suggest that metal or rock is just as complex as jazz is simply wrong.
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Originally Posted by ColinO
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You had to raise Tosin. That guy is a monster player no doubt. My kid is a real shredder and plays that guy, Misah Mansoor and Guthrie Govan all the time. Awesome players. I saw an interview with Tosin once - he said when he was trying to develop his harmonic understanding he started learning jazz standards because jazz is the most complicated form harmonically and nothing else comes close.
Tosin is like a metal player who has a lot of harmonic knowledge and a lot of skill. And he uses them both. But harmonically they are not as complicated as jazz tends to be.
If you like Tosin then you would probably enjoy this(it gets really cool around 27 minutes.
And when you listen to these guys, you tend to hear them playing for a long time over a single chord vamp whereas in jazz, chords and tonal centers change more frequently which is part of the added harmonic complexity.Last edited by ColinO; 09-24-2012 at 01:43 PM. Reason: wanted to add something
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Justaguy.
You might also want to check out T.R.A.M. which is Tosin's jazz fusion band.
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Speed comes from accuracy...my approach is to practice licks at increasing metronome speeds...
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Yngwie Malmstein also.
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I started as a rock player and got pretty good. Mark Varney used one of my tracks on his now defunct "Guitar On The Edge" cds on Legato records. Then I started playing jazz as well and was completely blown away at how hard it is to be a top level player.
For pure technique rock can be harder as I've never had so much trouble incorporating a guitar players style into my own as with Shawn Lane's stuff but the mental aspect of jazz is so much harder. Making changes, keeping time, hearing changes, all that stuff. Plus the sheer number of things to practice and make musical.
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Hey Joel, I just checked out some of your playing - you've got incredible chops! It's great you're on the forum, cheers
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Thanks
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I used the Charlie Parker "Omni Book". Learning the solos and slowly working them up to the tempo of the recording. I didn't set out to play faster but learning Parker's solos at his tempo was a byproduct to that end.
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