Relaxing At Camarillo vs Tricotism

[deacon Mark]

This may seem stupid to do but was quite a revelation to me although I intuitively know it true. I am memorizing Relaxing it is Parker tune I never learned. Your basic 12 bar blues. I know Tricotism and can play the melody from memory or at least get it back memorized in a practice session easily. Tricotism was easy to learn memorize and play but Relaxing at Camarillo just gives me fits. I can sight read it pretty much with ease but wow it has taken my whole amount of will to get it down. One of those things on the guitar that you know but until you get at it you don't. I started Relaxing thinking I would have the tune down in a matter of hour or 2 at the most. Here I am two weeks later still having make sure I don't make mistakes. Horn technique on the guitar.

[lawson-stone]

I find the time on Relaxin at Camarillo to be hard to nail. It's got a slippery and sliding feel that I struggle with. It exposes the weakest elements of my overall "feel" as an aspiring jazz player.

[deacon Mark]

I find the time on Relaxin at Camarillo to be hard to nail. It's got a slippery and sliding feel that I struggle with. It exposes the weakest elements of my overall "feel" as an aspiring jazz player.

Too modest Lawson, we are players not aspiring players. We just know somethings don't come easy.

[Sam Sherry]

It's got a slippery and sliding feel that I struggle with.

There's no shame in saying, "These Parker and Gillespie tongue-twisters have tangled me up."
By and large they were written for the precise purpose of separating the 1947 A-team from the pack.

If it's any consolation, I'm not even in the pack.

[Mick-7]

Funny but I find Relaxin' At Camarillo to be one of the easier Bird tunes to play because it lacks the tricky chromatic shifts of many of his other tunes. As I mentioned in your other thread, I had to overcome a weakness in my picking technique to play it properly.

[Tomcat]

Always engraved in my memory because the first serious trascription I ever did was 10 choruses of Joe Pass:

[alltunes]

^^ The very beginning almost sounds like Joe’s got an octave pedal going…the old ones that didn’t track as well

[lawson-stone]

Always engraved in my memory because the first serious trascription I ever did was 10 choruses of Joe Pass:

God that is a great track. Just listening to it again gave me shivers.

[Mick-7]

Always engraved in my memory because the first serious trascription I ever did was 10 choruses of Joe Pass:

He changed the head though, his version of it is easier to play than Bird's.

The very beginning almost sounds like Joe’s got an octave pedal going…the old ones that didn’t track as well

Sounds like gain added, definitely pre-Polytone, rumor is he used a Fnder Twin back then (1963-1964).

[deacon Mark]

Finally got the tune down but it took a while. Not perfect every time but it you listen to cuts of the tune melody varies. It is not taken super-fast and Pass does it pretty mellow pace. Many approaches to improvising the changes.

[paulkogut]

I think I understand the paradox. How are you with simpler melodies like Wine and Roses and I Hear a Rhapsody? Can you play them with some freedom of phrasing, position and register?

On the other hand, Tricotism, might need to be approached almost like a classical etude, with every fingering and pick stroke worked out meticulously and repeated exactly every time

Maybe Camarillo is too hard to be played like an easy tune, but too easy to be played like a hard tune.... Best wishes for your music!

PK

[AllanAllen]

Tricotism is odd, all the Pettiford versions have different melodies, with instruments playing in unison. Like each time he recorded it he changed it a little.

The real book doesn’t match any of them. I wish the RB gave sources.