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Originally Posted by Gitterbug
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03-24-2024 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by nevershouldhavesoldit
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Originally Posted by wintermoon
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Originally Posted by Hammertone
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Originally Posted by ThatRhythmMan
But after intensive net search I don't find any Gibson P-90 Dogear pickups for sale in Finland at the moment. Nearest is used one in Austria... and it is not fully convincing (only one pic offered).
But we have new Seymour Duncan Antiquity P-90 Dogears for sale here. I would get it about this week.
Hmmm!
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Originally Posted by Gitterbug
I don't care for the historic accuracy – if I am not charged for it! This guitar's price tag was such that it included original pickup.
But Yesterday I asked about this from the seller, and to my glad surprise he promised to pay back 900€ from the price.
Fair enough!
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Originally Posted by Herbie
The bridge saddle is not original.
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Originally Posted by Hammertone
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Originally Posted by Herbie
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Originally Posted by ThatRhythmMan
But... I suppose You live in US and I live here over the pond, so the shippings and taxes would make the bill huge.
And besides: I already ordered a Antiquity P90 for this so if it does not sound good enough, I'll ask You again!
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Originally Posted by Herbie
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Originally Posted by ruger9
The pickup in the ES-125 sounds sterile and harsh. Maybe it is unsuitable pots, maybe it is something about the acoustic properties of the guitar. But I'll bet it is the pickup!
There is a pic of it in the post #19. If someone can recognize it, I'd be glad!
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I’ve seen pictures of Gibson P90s with open mounting tabs like that. So that detail per se doesn’t mean it’s not original (or a Gibson pickup at any rate). It does look a bit too shiny to be a ‘58, but if it sounds good, I’d say leave it alone. 125’s are great, and I’ll add to the chorus of people saying “I shoulda bought one when they were cheap.”
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Originally Posted by Hammertone
The saddle on your bridge is compensated differently, in a way that does not correspond to anything Gibson has used. Once you compare it to a real Gibson saddle, as per the photo below, the differences are readily apparent.
The base looks original when compared to pictures of Gibson post '52 two-footed bridge bases.
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Originally Posted by Hammertone
Ok, thanks!
I have one spare bridge that looks like Yours, bought it somewhere cheap, but it would be more faithful to '50s spirit?
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Originally Posted by Herbie
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I run the Gibson ES-125 group and page on Facebook and have seen many many ES-125s… I am sorry to say that all the hardware and electronics on yours have been replaced for modern subs, except for the pickguard.
The good news is that it doesn’t really matter, it’s still a great guitar and a P90 is such a simple pickup that even most modern cheapo P90s sound fine, at least they do to me. That being said, for my ES-125 I found a 1947 P90 (from forum member Sam Sherry) including the old harness with gray PIO capacitor and it does sound (a little) better than the modern P90s I tried (I tried the SD Antiquity and a Lolar 50ies wound).
Your tailpiece does look like a Gibson or ABM tailpiece btw, just newer and chrome, as far as I can tell from the picturez (nickel would be period correct).
Here’s mine, only the pickguard and knobs were original, the rest is aftermarket or vintage original.
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Originally Posted by John A.
I just measured the DCR of the pickup. It is 11,83 kOhms! This pu doesn't sound like hot, so they used different gauge wire than it is used in P-90s.
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Then the frets. About 2,3 mm wide, a bit over 1 mm high. Did they use this fret wire in 1958?
And the the case. Original?
Everything in it works just great. The handle might be after retrofitted.
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Case is not original. Fretwire seems wider than original.
Again it’s an ES-125.
It’s a little interesting to me that you bought this making a bunch of assumptions about originality, but in your own words, it doesn’t great. You mentioned the pickup is thin and bland. Does it at least play well? Does it sound good acoustically? I know of people who can’t play and collect blackguards or Les Pauls and obsess over vintage details. But I don’t understand applying that attitude to an es 125. These are great sounding inexpensive and non collectible guitars. I hope once you set the SD pickup you’ll find yourself playing it more and worrying less about originality.
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Originally Posted by omphalopsychos
Originally Posted by omphalopsychos
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Originally Posted by omphalopsychos
I am not obsessed with historic details. I just like to know what I have, so I don't talk bullshit about it to anyone. For example if I am selling this someday. (Not very soon.)
This is my first 66 years old guitar. I don't know anything about these. I am learning all the time.
Acoustically the guitar is resonant and open. But previously I have played only in 1984-2015 made ES-175s with 2 pickups, so this is very different from them.
I am sorry if my never ending questions bother someone, I am just curious. And You guys here have been so helpful and full of information, hats off!
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Many many years before the internet I was fortunate to work alongside a guy who happened to know a lot about guitars. I had just started learning to play and gotten a very beaten up 60's Gibson SG for $150 (that's how long ago it was). I didn't really know what I had or even how to tell how good or bad it was - why did it have only one pickup when I saw others with two pickups? This guy loved to talk about all that stuff and bit by bit he passed on a lot of info; nickel vs chrome plating, nitro vs poly finishes, Brazilian rosewood, what are PAF pickups, Leo Fender didn't know how to play guitar, why should I get this amp or that amp, etc. His knowledge was encyclopedic and all fascinating to me, and it was all correct.
In spite of finding out most all your parts are not original, you are at least having the fun of discovery and learning like I was back then. Kudos to the seller for refunding a bit, sounds like they may have honestly thought the pickup was original. I totally don't mind having replacement parts on an old guitar if they function as well or better than originals, I do like replacement parts that maintain the original appearance. So I'm one of those guys who likes relic'd hardware. If that was mine I would consider swapping the tuners for original style 3-on-a-plate versions with round buttons. Anyway if it plays good and you like the SD Antiquity - enjoy!
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Originally Posted by Geunther
I just changed the pickup and the vol pot from 500K to 300K. Surprisingly easy job this time...
My ears like it better now!
Thanks for everybody for information and encouraging spirit!
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Originally Posted by Herbie
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