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I'm interested in how Irving Ashby gets this sound. Guitar/pickup/amp. Anyone know?
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02-01-2024 09:06 PM
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That’s exactly how a guitar should sound. Nat King Cole could sure pick a guitar player. Oscar Moore and Ashby are favorites of mine.
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Long scale big body archtop, Dearmond Guitar Mic (one of the earlier ones, they're brighter than the later ones), and a Gibson BR-1 (which is identical to the EH-185) with the bass rolled off a bit.
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Ah, man, my parents were Nat Cole fans and I grew up with this stuff on their hi-fi. Probably why I play jazz guitar. These guys were boss.
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That is some sweet stuff. Love me some NKC.
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Originally Posted by omphalopsychos
Long scale big body archtop, Dearmond Guitar Mic (one of the earlier ones, they're brighter than the later ones), and a Gibson BR-1 (which is identical to the EH-185) with the bass rolled off a bit.
A wealth of information!! This is the first I am hearing of the BR-1.
Great pic, great tone, great MUSIC. This is the 2nd time in 2 days I've been prompted to break out my Nat Cole music. Today is the day!
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It's funny this popped up as I've been binge listening the early Nat Cole Trio the last few days.
I don't know how to explain it other than to say this music makes me feel really good. There's something about it.
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Great music!
Could You NKC experts tell some of his albums with this style?
I just browsed the Spotify's offerings, and there is a lots of his albums with violin orchestra background. Might be great too, but what are the must ones for us jazz guitar fans?
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If you want Oscar Moore or Irving Ashby on guitar look for Nat King Cole Trio. Originally Posted by Herbie
This is a nice playlist on YT:
(Watch on YT, I think playlists do not work embedded in posts)
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Yeah, that Nat King Cole Trio records on Capitol records...there were a few of them, I think they're all together in one collection now.
There's other bits and pieces out there too, I have a CD I need to find that was a radio show...more great stuff.
And then if you like this, look up the Ahmad Jamal trio recordings on Okeh and Epic and "Chamber Music of the New Jazz."
The guitar/bass/piano trio is definitely one of my favorite sounds.
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On spotify, Originally Posted by Herbie
Nat King Cole Trio - Hit that Jive, Jack
The Nat King Cole Trio - The Complete Capitol Transcription Sessions
The Best of the Nat King Cole Trio: Instrumentals
The Complete Capitol Recordings of The Nat King Cole Trio
Nat King Cole - HIttin' The Ramp: The Early Years (1936-1943)
Lots of repeats in these, but this is easily 40 hours of music.
Also Oscar Moore has a good solo album on Spotify, Presenting Oscar Moore with Leroy Vinegar.
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This is the style that he developed with his trio. The Capitol recordings exemplify this style very well. Originally Posted by Herbie
In addition to the ones listed above, check out these other post-trio records:
Nat King Cole at the Piano
Penthouse Serenade
Following that, he mostly worked with professional arrangers and orchestra musicians. I love that stuff very much but the tight sound he created in small ensembles is one of the best.
Another forgotten one that I love is Live at the Circle Room (1946; still has Oscar in the band and some of everyone's best playing). This record is especially wonderful because you can faintly here the chatter of the audience, the clinking of glassware, etc.
A lot of guitarists talk about Oscar being a very underrated player. This is true, but I also think Nat is a massively underrated piano player. He was ahead of his time, pioneering the sound of small ensembles and very elegant improvised melodies. I also enjoy his rhythmic precision and gracefulness. When he plays uptempo stuff he really reminds me of Bill Evans. Two players who can shred with a light nimble touch and always right in the middle of the pocket.
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I got an Oscar Moore recording as a digital download on 7 Digital: "Presenting Oscar Moore with Leroy Vinegar"
More of the same good guitar playing!
Doug
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Many bop pianist quoted Nat Cole as an important influence, e.g. Barry Harris. Originally Posted by omphalopsychos
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Oscar Moore carried the torch of this style long after he and Nat parted ways.
I don't know how familiar people are with the history, but Oscar's brother Johnny was also a great guitarist. They were both from texas. Oscar played more "sophisticated" jazz stuff and Johnny leaned more into his blues roots. Both brothers wound up in Los Angeles playing in relatively similar groups. Oscar with Nats band and Johnny in his own, called The Three Blazers. If that's not enough, they had matching Gibson L5 CCs.
When Oscar left Nat's group, he joined The Three Blazers in their regular LA gigs. He is also featured on some of their records in the late 40s.
Oscar did not record as much in the 50s but some of the stuff he put out was wonderful. Look for "The Oscar Moore Quartet" in addition to the record with Leroy Vinegar.
Finally, people must listen to "Have You Met Miss Jones?" It's a similar sound as these others but with a female vocalist, Inez Jones (from my neck of the woods), instead of Nat or another male voice. Wonderful.
Y'all are squarely in one of my most deeply appreciated jazz niches. Glad to see the appreciation on this forum.
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You turned me on to that Inez Jones record a few weeks back and it has been in steady rotation around the Matz residence.
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Why don't people listen to music as attentively as before? Because the music is not as before. I had never even heard of Inez Jones before, but she's just perfect - not over- or underphrasing. Oscar Moore is different from the 1940's NKC recordings, where he was more acoustic and even Django-like, comping on the high strings. Here, he's more mainstream, with a tone to match. Absolutely underrated.
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I had most of the available recordings of the trio and bought the Circle Room discs and Mosaic box set [17 cd's!] when they were issued. Moore is criminally underrated today but in his day during the 40s won most of the major polls, though leaving Cole probably wasn't the best idea as his career nose dived afterwards and apparently died penniless.
Phenomenal stuff by the trio and I agree w/ everything Omphalopsychosis posted, saved me a lot of typing....
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Originally Posted by omphalopsychos
This!!! As one might imagine Nat’s piano playing was also very influential. Oscar Peterson for example acknowledged him many times. That is one of the main things I really miss in his later recordings.
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Maybe so, but the amount and price of the music everywhere is a reason too. If something is as cheap as sausage (a Finnish sauing) it ain’t valued so much as a rarity. Originally Posted by Gitterbug
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The After Midnight album is one of my favorite records in any genre. Nat King Cole was a truly extraordinary talent.
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