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Anyone else attending? I'll post some observations here over the next few days.
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01-24-2024 07:59 AM
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Why does all the cool stuff happen on the west coast?
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Every NAMM year I always hope to see the return of the ES175.
For some reason the discontinuation of that model really bugged me.
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Anybody seen any cool stuff that might interest us jazz weirdos?
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Collings will show their version of the Telecaster.
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Originally Posted by Oscar67
Cool, just what we need... another option in the $5,000 telecaster market.
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I attended in 2020. A Gibson rep promised the return of ES-175 in due course...
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It seems that bringing back the world's most iconic archtop guitar after a 5 year hiatus will just have to wait because this week Gibson announced ANOTHER signature Metallica guitar. Originally Posted by Gitterbug
I get that the archtop market is small, but is the market for '80s metal signature guitars really as big as the new leaders of Gibson think it is? There's been a never-exhausted supply of them the last few years. I don't blame them for doing what they like. Heck, if I ran Gibson, I would make guitars that I wanted too (which just so happens to mean archtops).
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Just my opinion, but I believe if Gibson Custom Shop decides to re-introduce the ES175 in limited numbers, they'll sell every one of them.
They've been successful many times over by using their built-in demand moniker "Limited Edition".
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Discontinued in 2017 I suspect if ever reintroduced the 175 will be in the $6K + range. It’s pretty hard to find a used one these days under $4K.
I used to not like Henry J. but I sure do miss him now. He made sure every Gibson archtop stayed in production and the Crimson shop was making them at the top of their game.
Come back Henry ….we need you
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Is that an instagram link or something? Originally Posted by Oscar67
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Aside from the small market for Jazz Archtops which has been filled by the likes of Benedetto,Sadowsky and a handful of luthiers. That market is not a good money maker for bigger guitar companies any longer.
Gibson has turned solely into a Rock&Roll based guitar company. The profit margins are probably huge for aged Custom Shop Les Pauls, Flying V, etc. Why would you make time consuming hollow bodies that don’t have as much profit or a market for them.
I too am saddened, but times and tastes have changed. And if you want a Gibson Archtop it’s going to be expensive.
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And what a boring looking thing it is. Originally Posted by AllanAllen
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Literally didn't even realize this was supposed to be a tele. Originally Posted by AllanAllen
As the owner of a certified Fancy-Ass Tele, I feel like if you want to make a tele copy, you should just copy a tele.
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D’Angelico will show various new offerings. Pictures look nice.
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Originally Posted by Gitterbug
How many days in a due course? :-/
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Instead of waiting for Gibson, why not take the specifications to one of the smaller luthiers like Victor Baker, Steph Holst,etc and have them make you one? Couldn't be any more expensive than what Gibson might want even if they did bring back a 175.
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That isn't that expensive if you consider the new Metallica model is £9000 and it's already scratched and marked ...sorry, I mean 'aged' Originally Posted by vinnyv1k
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The only people who can afford the prices for a Gibson archtop, in close to profitable numbers, are all dying off. Seriously, I dont know anyone in by gen or younger who has the disposable income to afford such things. I can't and prob never will.
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There's probably never been as many, as skilled luthiers as today. The prices commanded by Dutch archtop masters, for example, are perfectly reasonable. Moreover, a lot of existing archtops belong to baby boomers and may come to the market over the next few years. Five from my estate. In terms of manufacturing complexity, the ES-175 is in the same ballpark with ES-335, which starts from under 3K. I think Gibson could get a better margin from a 175, but the market outlook doesn't justify the investment.
Last edited by Gitterbug; 01-25-2024 at 09:01 AM.
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I'm not sure how small archtop demand truly is..... They dropped that Thorogood Epiphone ES125 last year which immediately sold out.
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Just a thought. What about a Heritage H575? Nicer wood, but how close is the sound to a 175? Hmmm.
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Heritage is still making the 575, I believe, not sure about their other archtop models. Originally Posted by Doug B
It seems Heritage just isn't what they used to be either since they were sold back in 2016...
As for the 575's sound, I do think it's different than a 175. A little more sustain, a little less thunk. A 575 has been my main guitar for over a decade now, but there would still be room in my guitar "collection" for a 175 should I find a good one at the same time I have the $...
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So the irony of the ES-175 model is it was suppose to be an affordable alternative to their Carved Tops. Very funny how the plain Jane’s of their day surpass their fancier brethren!
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There's an interesting history there, probably better for another thread, but it seems as jazz moved past the big band era and went more underground (bebop obviously has some overlap) players were obviously not earning as much money, or maybe needed a guitar that wasn't as valuable for playing small clubs instead of big dance stages...but that underground music inspired all of jazz that followed, and the guitar sound came along with it. The 175 definitely became "the jazz guitar sound" to many. Originally Posted by jads57
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