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I shudder to think what that booth cost !
Originally Posted by Hammertone
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01-27-2024 05:21 PM
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I bought my first 175 in 1972.
I think it was about $600 US.
Almost 4k in 2023 dollars, I think. It's a great guitar. The L5 was beyond reach back then, and I remember that day in the music store wanting the L5, but being comforted by the fact that many of my heros like Pass, Hall, Ellis, and even Wes for a time played a 175. Made me feel like I had joined a special club!
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I also joined that special club when I bought my first ES-175 in late ‘69 or early 1970. It was a new 1969 model with two humbuckers and a comfortable 1 11/16” nut. I can’t remember what I paid, but it was probably in the ballpark of skykomishone’s number. I played that guitar on thousands of gigs and absolutely loved it. I kept it for about 50 years and only recently sold it because I didn’t play it as much after I bought a 1959 ES-175 with paf’s. I think the Gibson ES-175 is one of the most important jazz guitars ever made. I was shocked and very disappointed when they discontinued the model. I keep hoping it will return to the lineup, but it doesn’t sound like it’s going to happen this year. Originally Posted by skykomishone
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It's part of the Made in Germany pavilion, with booths for various small German companies (like Höfner, Lakewood, Wittner, Optima, and a few more) under the auspices of the German government. Pretty spartan stuff compared to many other booths at NAMM. Originally Posted by Dennis D
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Originally Posted by PAG
There is nothing inherently "wrong" with the Collings company and their products, don't get me wrong here. The thing that irks me is the ongoing and seemingly never ending marketing hysteria with which the public is made to believe
that they are getting something extra very special : Paul Reed Smith had the brilliant idea to invent the "private stock" wood pile, the acronym NOS / New Old Stock took on a new meaning, "Old Growth" wood
, "Master Builder" , hand-wound, hand-selected, "cello wood", vintage-correct, - the list goes on and on. It gets so tiring and then Collings comes along and elevates a piece of plastic by naming it "hand-poured"
and you can be pretty certain that this is reflected in the price tag. Our bunch on this forum is not immune, either : when the tag bears the signature of a certain shop foreman then the guitar is supposed to be superior to one without the signature - for those who believe ....
Rant over, no offense intended.
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Given the elegance and quality of some of Collings' guitars, I'm willing to cut them a LOT of slack on their hyperbole. Are their guitars worth the money? That depends on both your wealth and your priorities. I play a tricked out Mexican Mustang so obviously I'm not willing to spend that kind of money but I have to say I have really enjoyed playing their guitars and even just looking at their guitars when I've had the opportunity. When I look at detail work like I see in this photo, I can certainly see why others would be more willing than me. That's more than just hype. (And the particular guitar being discussed has both some stunning cosmetic details, much of which are based on the use of the binding. coupled with a 24 1/8 scale length, a feature I would be willing to pay for). Originally Posted by gitman
Last edited by Jim Soloway; 01-28-2024 at 01:16 PM.
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- I have a lot of archtop guitars addressing different levels of acoustic and electric application. Gotta admit that the Gibson ES175 is the best electric archtop I've owned/played. Would be one of the last guitars I would part with. Not that I'll ever part with any.
- Collings deserves the praise. I only own one (an OM flat top) but have played many over the years and got to visit their shop in times past. Their commitment to excellence has lasted decades and remains today. New ones are more than I want to spend but I've never played a mediocre Collings.
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So then I really have to shudder to think what it costs to rent the floor space to accommodate that ' booth '. ...... Originally Posted by Hammertone
I can hear the venue reservation person now: " No sir, the booths don't come with tables, and the tables of course don't come with chairs..."..
" Now will you be wanting the area carpeted ? "....." And, yes electrical hook-ups are also available, as is the 3 Phase upgrade - - "
as the saying goes, ' All it takes is money ! '..... : )
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The German Embassy hires the space and the chosen manufacturers reap the benefits. Germany's economic success is in many respects due to support provided by the state. Originally Posted by Dennis D
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Godin announced a couple new single-cut, thinline hollowbodies based off the 5th Avenue. Not much info out yet. Interestingly, the burst one costs 45% more.
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Hi Jim, Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
Given the elegance and quality of some of Collings' guitars, I'm willing to cut them a LOT of slack on their hyperbole. Are their guitars worth the money? That depends on both your wealth and your priorities. I play a tricked out Mexican Mustang so obviously I'm not willing to spend that kind of money but I have to say I have really enjoyed playing their guitars and even just looking at their guitars when I've had the opportunity. When I look at detail work like I see in this photo, I can certainly see why others would be more willing than me. That's more than just hype. (And the particular guitar being discussed has both some stunning cosmetic details, much of which are based on the use of the binding. coupled with a 24 1/8 scale length, a feature I would be willing to pay for).
as I said I don't intend to put down the product , it's the hyperbole -as you so correctly phrase it- that irks me. The guitars are made with the help of CNC machines and the hardware comes from different sources,
just like it's done in so many other medium size companies like Suhr, PRS, Bourgeois, Tom Anderson, Nik Huber, Santa Cruz Guitar Company, etc. The various parts are put together by skilled craftsmen, by hand of course so why stress this little aspect re the pickguard ? Pretty insignificant IMHO considering the amount of hands-on work that goes into these instruments. Just sayin' ....
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Reminds me of this Mad Men scene. Originally Posted by gitman
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These are cool. There's a definite gap in the market for fully hollow thinline guitars. Originally Posted by LifeOnJazz
Godin announced a couple new single-cut, thinline hollowbodies based off the 5th Avenue. Not much info out yet. Interestingly, the burst one costs 45% more.
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Good luck "bending" the neck on a 5k set neck "Tele" Originally Posted by Oscar67
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I took a look at all the photos of this guitar and the binding and pieces matching the binding are a huge part of the cosmetics of this guitar. It's not just the binding itself. There's a very ornate pickguard, binding material in the pickup face plates, a binding material cap on the back of the neck joint, and an obviously custom truss rod cover. It's part of a very unique look and Collings is REALLY good at that kind of detail work and they take a lot of pride in it. That's what I really think they were referring to but words got processed by a PR professional instead of their own craftsmen so it doesn't tell the story as well as it should. Have a look at a few more pictures and it becomes obvious what they were trying to achieve. (I have to say, that if I were a much wealthier man, I would love to own this guitar). Originally Posted by gitman
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That Collings is HOT.
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For me that is the ugliest Collings i have ever seen.
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I can understand that as well. It's very extreme. People said the same about the 290 with the doghair finish and the perloid peghead veneer. I played the first version of that a couple time and it was as much fun as I've ever had with a guitar. Originally Posted by nyc chaz
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I guess I meant and was wondering, what then, everyone else would pay for a booth that size at that show Originally Posted by Litterick
I did a search ( good or bad ? ) the venue being the Anaheim Convention Center, and it came back at $40. a sq. foot, sold in 100 sq. ft. increments..
So a 5 ft x 20 ft booth is $4000. ?? Gulp.
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I'm sure that guitar would play great like most Colling's but black guitars especially archtops have never floated my boat. The price of that guitar will most likely be absurd also like most Colling's. Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
I can understand that as well. It's very extreme. People said the same about the 290 with the doghair finish and the perloid peghead veneer. I played the first version of that a couple time and it was as much fun as I've ever had with a guitar.
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Originally Posted by Jim Soloway
I can understand that as well. It's very extreme. People said the same about the 290 with the doghair finish and the perloid peghead veneer. I played the first version of that a couple time and it was as much fun as I've ever had with a guitar.
I like it, I like the other one too, but I know it's out of my budget and it wouldn't be safe where I play.
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I watched the demo of Sire guitars by LC and the thing that stood out most was his dig at Gibson: before playing their 335 clone, Larry looks right into the camera and says "You don't need a Gibson" or something equally direct. Given that he actually is known for playing a 335 and even did a signature model with Gibson a few years back, I'm wondering what happened between them. It's one thing to let an endorsement deal go, it's another to attack on social media...
I don't have time right now to post a link to the vid, but it shouldn't be hard to find.
The other interesting moment is when Larry says that he hasn't been to NAMM in 30 years, since demoing for Valley Arts.
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Gibson is not paying him anymore and Sire is,putting a whole lineup of guitars with his name.Didn't Joe Pass say some derogatory things about his Ibanez model,the difference is there was no social media then and the world was better for it. Originally Posted by starjasmine
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I think we can drop the "most likely". It's a Collings. Whatever the price may be, it will almost certainly be some multiple of what I would consider paying for a guitar. Originally Posted by nyc chaz
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I don't agree with your takeaway. At no point does Carlton say anything negative about Gibson. In the videos he made with Sweetwater, he emphasizes the point that these Sire guitars are high quality and most importantly, they are quite affordable. Essentially, he is saying "you don't need to spend thousands of dollars" to get a great guitar. Gibson ES models list for $3,000 - $9,000, while the new Sire ES model goes for $850. Larry's right, you don't need a Gibson. Originally Posted by starjasmine
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