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i.e,, TLDR: TLDW: they all do a good job of capturing the initial sound, there are too many variables that go into a final sound (mic placement, IR, cab, pedals, ambiance of the room, etc), to try to differentiate it at a fundamental, ah-ha level is borderline cork-sniffing. Basically, at a certain volume level, an electric guitar is going to sound most other electric guitars.
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03-16-2023 02:47 PM
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I've had and tried quite a few modelers - I think he's partially right. Technology has developed so much that most modeleres sound good these days, even the cheap ones - if the user knows what he's doing. Still, from price to form to software useability to the quality of some fx, there's plenty of difference beteeeen modelers.
In a way his argument could been made for a lot of different things - a lot of archtops sound similar (and a lot of pickups, etc). But in the Internet era gas and hype are very strong, just look at the buzz around the new Tonex pedal.
I like the Tone Junkie channel, but the youtbe modelling space is getting too crowded and you need to "clickbait" every now and then
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It's nice that we are at a point where we can say inexpensive modelers sound OK.
Wish we could say the same for inexpensive FRFR speakers to go with them.
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Originally Posted by Spook410
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I don't care that that guy says, I've had my Kemper for 10 years and it's the warmest sounding of all of them. These Youtube channels only care about churning out constant "content" to get views and $$$.
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I have to say, in my limited experience, they don't.
Disclaimer: I'm not sure what is a "modeler" vs "solid state" vs "hybrid" anymore.
I love my Roland Blues Cube Artist. It sounds and feels like a tube amp. It's fantastic. Is it solid state? Digital? Hybrid? No idea. I just know it sounds fantastic. It's so good it's all I use with my band, I don't feel the need to haul my beloved tube amp to rehearsal and gigs- the Roland is that good. (it's not 100% as good as my tube amp, but it's at least 90%).
I tried a Katana MkII, and I thought it was awful (unless you're into metal and thin-sounding tones). It was a WORLD of difference. Couldn't get a decent tone out of it to save my life.
I haven't had the opportunity to try the Fender ToneMasters yet (digital I think?), but I read nothing but raves.
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I like my Roland Blues Cube Artist as well. However I'm kind of pissed that I have to give them $200-$250 for gimmicky 'tone cubes' to get different sounds out of it. I don't care all that much for the tweed sound so it was a necessary added expense. Should have been included or available via download at this price point. Though in all fairness, you can't even get a variety of sounds with a Fender Tonemaster.
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Originally Posted by Spook410
Does it sound great? Is it reliable? Is it easy to move around (for those of us who gig)? Then it's worth the price, regardless of construction.
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Originally Posted by ruger9
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I dunno I play through a TM twin once a month (it’s the house amp for a regular gig) and tbh I can’t tell any difference to my fender tube amp at least in that context (I can with other ss amps). I know people claim a difference. In fact I’m quite up for buying one based on its gig performance .
Maybe I’m just bad at music and have no idea. You are not alone in your view Dennis.
I’ll check back here in a year I guess, and we’ll see.
It strikes me clean fender tones are not the hardest to model….
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Tbh tonally I feel like my guitar makes a bigger difference than whether I’m plugged into a real tube amp or a modeller. Response wise ss amps can be a bit ‘flat’ feeling to play through but I’ve not noticed this with the TM.
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Modeling has certainly gotten "good enough" for my ears.
But I'm not one to chase a particular tone anyway. That's a recipe for frustration. I'd rather just sound good, and with what I have and what is available today, there's really no reason I can't always do that.
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Originally Posted by Christian Miller
I think an SS amp + a tube modelling pedal with a good EQ vs a real tube amp is really a coin toss for cleans.
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Originally Posted by mr. beaumont
If I were a solo-only jazz guitarist, maybe I would consider hauling a Princeton around (or something similar: tweed deluxe, Swart, etc), but when you're in a band, and everything is mic'ed, it just doesn't matter much, if at all. The GUITAR however, remains of the upmost importance. That's your physical connection with the music. If that ain't right, nothing else will be.
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Originally Posted by ruger9
I don't even drag a Princeton around for solo gigs any more. Top quality class D combos like the Bud / Blu and heads through a Toob make some really beautiful jazz sounds. They're loud enough for most gigs and have good DI outputs for reinforcement if needed. The guitar is definitely the key to great sound. I think my carved Eastman archtops through the Blu make a wonderfully joyous noise. Here's a track I made for the Practical Standards thread in the Songs forum this month. It's my 16" Elite through the Blu 6 (sitting on the desktop - it's not even on the floor) mic'ed from a few inches with my TASCAM digital recorder's onboard capsules. This is the sound I've loved for the entire 64 years I've been playing the guitar. I feel no need for a modeler and am fairly certain that I'll continue to be happy with this sound forever!
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Originally Posted by nevershouldhavesoldit
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Originally Posted by nevershouldhavesoldit
I'm not saying that telecaster through Henriksen or Polytone sounds bad. But there is more a noticeable difference in tone with solid body guitars between purely solid state amps and modeling (or tube) amps.Last edited by Tal_175; 04-13-2023 at 01:18 PM.
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The Princeton is nice for small gigs and my practice room but tbh it can get a bit pinched with a band. The TM twin sounds the same as the real thing to my (probably rubbish) ears, is comparable weight and a ton more headroom. the real thing is not going to be practical haha.
It’s pretty hard to pass up that deal tbh if I was shopping for a gigging amp band. In the mean time my TOOBs and quilter do what I need for small gigs and easy to DI.
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Originally Posted by jorgemg1984
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Originally Posted by nevershouldhavesoldit
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Well, doh ... the better two amp modellers do their job, the more they will sound the same (when modelling the same target, evidently).
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Originally Posted by DawgBone
That being said I'm still not seeing a good FRFR solution for standalone modeling rigs.
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Originally Posted by jorgemg1984
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Originally Posted by Spook410
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Originally Posted by RJVB
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